Re: Alcohol in gasoline (spin-off from pulsing engine)

[Jim Altemose <jaltemoose@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Ray.

This is all very interesting to me; I've often wondered about E-85.
Here on Long Island it can be 15 cents cheaper than regular and I
usually get Premium.

When I upgraded my 63 Polara with a 383 from a two barrel to a four
barrel, I dropped the tank and cleaned and coated it with the Eastwood
epoxy kit, replaced the whole 5/16 fuel line with 3/8 (because I
could), replaced the fuel pump, manifold and carb with a rebuilt 65
Carter AFB.  From what you're saying, it sounds like I'd be in good
shape to give the E-85 a shot and see what happens.

- Jim
Jim Altemose, Long Island, NY
'63 Polara 500 (Max Wedge)
'63 Polara 500 (383)
'65 Belvedere I (Street Wedge)
'71 Bronco


On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Ray Henry <62dart@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Yeah, I'm aware of most of the concerns. The splash blending one I was not.
> Although knowing modern components hold up well to a reasonable amount of
> alcohol, I can see where splash blending may result in inconsistencies in
> the mixture. So while a spike in alcohol may not hurt your components, it
> can certainly have an effect on the performance of the engine.
>
> My experience has been that simply setting your carb up a tab richer for E10
> solves the leaning issue. Splash blending could result in a varying range of
> alcohol content, and some may find that they are struggling with
> performance/driveability issues tank to tank. To me, that means that those
> incapable of tinkering in their driveway are in for a rough haul. My
> experience is that we (owners of 62-65 Mopars) don't really have an issue
> with the current level of alcohol in the fuel, as our components hold up
> well. That's my experience with my own vehicles speaking.
>
> I don't think we're really getting off-topic here, as the subject is indeed
> alcohol in gasoline. The more information that we can get our hands on, the
> better off we are.
>
> DJ also raises a point in that it IS the coming thing. Even though the
> reality is that by forcing alcohol into all fuels we aren't saving a drop of
> fossil fuel, and are causing an impact on other markets, we are being forced
> into it. Friends of mine building high performance vehicles that are running
> alcohol report that they consume twice the quantity of fuel. So yes, I know
> that there is a penalty. They don't save any money at the end of the day, as
> burning twice the alcohol as racing fuel results in the same cost.
>
> We, as enthusiasts, need to be vigilant in keeping up to date on who is
> petitioning our governments for things that impact us. Because once they
> come, they never go away. I can't recall the last time a government said
> "Oops, we made a mistake, let's go back to the old way". So yes, I believe
> alcohol in gasoline is here to stay. We need to adapt where we can.
>
> Me, I'm absolutely happy with E10. Love it, think it's the best thing ever.
> E15? I'm leery. Not just the splash blending problem, but the other impacts.
> Increased cost in fuel. Impact on other markets (real or anticipated by
> stock brokers).
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gary H.
> Sent: August-18-11 4:29 PM
> To: ""
> Subject: Re: Alcohol in gasoline (spin-off from pulsing engine)
>
> We are veering somewhat off topic. But fuel supply does make a difference
> for old cars like our Mopars.
> The more your Mopar has been rebuilt, retrofitted with new hoses and new
> carb kits, the less an issue I suspect.
>
> The current spike of alarm is the introduction of E-15. The Historic Vehicle
> Association (HVA) has an Ethanol Fuel Petition online. Their analysis is
> that the more concentrated E-15 blend coming on the market is no good, from
> a classic vehicle perspective.
>
> They write:  "Because of its corrosive and water absorbing properties,
> ethanol, or gasoline containing ethanol, cannot be moved through traditional
> petroleum pipelines and tanks. Instead, in a process known as “splash
> blending” ethanol is blended into gasoline at terminals near the gas
> stations.
>
>
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