Hello Chris In LA and List, I believe the first Chrysler hardtop was a Town & Country. It was a non-production model that may have even preceded the GM hardtops. Let's move this to the Salon. Greg Gryczan West Palm Beach, FL U.S.A. At 07:13 AM 6/17/2002 -0700, you wrote: >gimpineer@xxxxxxxx wrote: > >> In other words, a "Hardtop" has no "B" pillar in a 2-door and only the lower >> half of one on a 4-door. > >Pretty close!. The first of these in the modern era came out in 1949: three >midyear models from GM. They were in essence convertibles with steel tops >welded on. Four-door models arrived a few years later, and by then the cars >were designed as hardtops, not retrofitted convertibles. There are similar >pillarless top designs, however, dating to 1916... > >Hardtops and sedans, with 2 and 4 doors, all have B-pillars, as this is what >the door lock (latch) attaches to. It's just that in the hardtops, they do >not visibly extend above the windowline, and are thus partial B-pillars. > >And, to the original question, the removable rigid roof you can put on some >convertibles is also called a hardtop. > >Chris in LA > > >