Re: IML: 413 vs 440 in a 64 Crown/65 LeBaron

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I pulled my spent 413 and found a 440 with a steel crank, rebuilt it to 
my specs (all low end torque, 9.5 compression), and I love it.  Only 
the most learned gearhead can tell it's a 440 by the stamping on the 
top of the block.  I know the purists will think me foolish, but I like 
driving my car, and I like driveablitly.  I know they'll say a 413 will 
perform just as well as a 440.  Perhaps, but not a 440 built to my 
specs.  It's not a hot rod engine, but when I want to pass someone, I 
feel justified in what I did.

Just my two cents (that's about what it's worth!)
John in LA
(and yes that IS in Los Angeles)


-----Original Message-----
From: pnkmoore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:10:04 -0500
Subject: Re: IML: 413 vs 440 in a 64 Crown

   It's hardly my business to say it Mark, but I may be with Pete in PA 
on this one. If the 440 ain't broke, why fix it? I can undertand if 
you're a purist because I can be that way too, but I'd give myself a 
break in that regard before I'd trade out a motor. I think the 440s are 
wonderful engines.?
?
Patrick in LA (and no, that's not Los Angeles)?
?
 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Engel" 
<peter.engel@xxxxxxxxxxx>?
To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>?
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:39 PM?
Subject: Re: IML: 413 vs 440 in a 64 Crown?
?
 There is no difference in external dimensions between a 413 and a 440. 
If?
the guy who installed the 440 used all the 413 manifolds, oil pan,?
 accessories, brackets, etc. then your swap back to a 413 will be a 
breeze.?
?
 If, OTOH, the 440 was installed used all the manifolds, etc. from the 
440?
and it was a much later engine then you will have some heartburn.?
?
 Why bother removing the 440 to put in a 413? The engines look 
identical?
 from the outside. Is the 440 shot and you'd rather have a 413 under 
the?
hood? Is the 440 a late production, low compression engine??
?
Pete in PA?
?
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Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:27:09 -0600?
From: Mark and Theresa Elliott <deadfishe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>?
Subject: IML: 413 vs 440 in a 64 crown?
Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?
Hey all you mechanical experts,?
?
What would one need to do to change out the 413 in a 64 Crown to a?
440? What things would need to change/be replaced etc. I am not asking?
 this because I am contemplating doing it, on the contrary, I am 
thinking?
 about undoing it. A previous owner did this to my car, and I am 
wondering?
what it would take to undo this and put a 413 back in. Would I need to?
replace all my accessories like the alternator, AC compressor, starter?
 etc? How about the radiator? Would it just be a matter of pulling out 
the?
 440 and dropping in the 413, or would I need new motor mounts (I may 
need?
them anyway). How about the transmission, would anything need to be?
changed there??
?
Thanks for your input,?
?
Mark Elliott?
64 Crown 4 door (currently with a 440 under the hood)?
?
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