Hum, the 1965 Plymouth ad for the S does not mention the steering box. See http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightning72/3877381502/ Let me know if you find a reference for the special steering box. You may be right about the torsion bars Neal; I thought they were the V8 bars. The stouter leaf springs, shocks and sway bar are mentioned in the ad. The wood grain steering wheel was probably and option on all 1965 Barracudas, not part of the S package. I have a Formula S '65 that I am parting out and it has the plain steering wheel. Here is a blurb from a Cuda site: "The '65 Barracuda (now a separate model from the Valiant) began life with a Rallye Pack option that included heavy-duty torsion bars (front), leaf springs (rear), front sway bar and shock absorbers. The new Commando 273 (235 horsepower at 5200 rpm, 280 lbs-ft. torque at 4000 rpm and 10.5:1 compression ratio) was part of the Rallye Pack. A wide Rallye Stripe running the length of the car, and new "Commando V8" badging were the only hints that all was not as standard as one may have thought. Unless you were privy to the beautiful symphony coming from the unique no-muffler, resonator-only, square, chrome-tipped exhaust system. In the Fall of 1964 (for the '65 models), Chrysler enhanced the Rallye Pack option with 14x5-inch wheels mounting Goodyear Blue-Streak Sports Car Special tires, an in-dash tachometer and special badging to produce what was now known as the Formula "S" Competition Package. Interestingly enough, all of the Formula S goodies (except the badging) could be ordered separately and added to a Rallye Pack car, if you were so inclined." http://www.earlycuda.org/history.htm Thanks, Gary H. > -------Original Message------- > > I thought they had slightly bigger t-bars than the standard v8 bar. > the leafs were beefier too i think. I do know for sure gary that there > was indeed a formula S steering box u could get, it had a tighter > ratio. Oh there was also the wood grain steering wheel too. > neal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The 1962 to 1965 Mopar Mail List Clubhouse" group. To post to this group, send email to 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 1962to1965mopars+unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/1962to1965mopars?hl=en.