I thought they had slightly bigger t-bars than the standard v8 bar. the leafs were beefier too i think. I do know for sure gary that there was indeed a formula S steering box u could get, it had a tighter ratio. Oh there was also the wood grain steering wheel too. neal > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The 1962 to 1965 Mopar Mail List Clubhouse" group. To post to this group, send email to 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 1962to1965mopars+unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/1962to1965mopars?hl=en.