Re: Tming Chain Stupid Question

[Nico Over <nover@xxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Herb, will try and move the distrib 180 degrees and see what happens 
and also ensure that the firing order is set properly. Once done will let 
everyone know what I found.
Nico

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:22:05 -0500, Herb wrote
> My initial remark was to short and to the point and probably 
> confusing. ALRIGHT, The Engine doesn't care if the cam timing mark 
> is aligned at the top or bottom of the cam gear, or if the timing 
> mark is at the top or bottom of the crank gear, (The Distributor 
> Does!!) just all four marks have to be in alignment with NO margin 
> of error.  That said, the gears and chain were designed to be set by 
> using a straight edge going down through the center of the cam bolt 
> through the center of the timing mark on the cam gear through the 
> center of the timing mark on the crank gear then through the center 
> of the crank bolt.  Then install the distributor at top dead center, 
> or pointing to #1 plug wire with the wires installed on your 
> distributor in the correct firing order (ROTATION?), your engine now 
> is in time.  Aligning the timing marks together this way leaves less 
> margin for error as designed. Timing with the marks at the top of 
> both gears makes it open to the possibility of being one tooth off 
> and not realizing it unless you are very careful.
> 
> OK, Now, If you installed the cam gear with the timing marks 
> correctly aligned with the straight line through the center of both 
> bolts and both timing marks with the crank timing mark on top also 
> then install your distributor at TDC, your distributor will be 180 
> degrees out of time, As I eluded to in my first statement.  With the 
> distributor installed 180 degrees out off time the engine can be 
> made to run with the symptoms described. Nico I bet if you rotate 
> your distributor 180d and reinstall it, it will run much smoother.
> 
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>  Herb
> 
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> -------Original Message-------
> 
> From: Nico Over
> Date: 4/20/2010 7:15:13 PM
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Tming Chain Stupid Question
> 
> Thanks Don that is what I thought but wanted a second opinion. I'll 
> look
 elsewhere for my problem.
 Nico
> 
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:20:24 -0700 (PDT), Donald Gallimore wrote
> > I'm not sure you did anything wrong.  Remember that the gear on the
> > crank rotates twice for every one rotation of the gear on the cam.
> >  Either way, the mark at the bottom or the top of the cam gear, is
> > right when the mark on the crank gear is at the top. The piston is
> > still at Top Dead Center (TDC).   (Of course, it's hard to tell if
> > you got it right when they are 180 degrees apart)
> >
> > Akron Don Gallimore
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Nico Over <nover@xxxxxxxx>
> > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 2:39:07 PM
> > > Subject: Tming Chain Stupid Question
> > >
> > >
> > All, just finished putting Eddy Victor Heads ported to Max wedge
> > size, Indy
> > >
> > dual plane intake, Crane Hydraulic Roller in the winter top end
> > overhaul of
> > >
> > the 440 in my 63 330. It barely runs, pops out the exhaust on decel,
> > won't
> > >
> > idle. I have moved the timing all over the place from 0 degrees at
> > idle to
> > > 33
> > degress at 3k with no difference in running characteristics. I am
> > sure
> > > that
> > all the plugs are firing and the valves are adjusted properly so am
> > at
> > > my
> > wits end on this one. Now, the only thing I can figure that I messed
> > up
> > > on
> > the build was that I set the timing marks in line top of each gear
> > at TDC
> > >
> > firing instead of the bottom of cam gear to top of crank gear. So my
> > > question
> > is: will setting the timing marks the way I did manifest itself as
> > > I have
> > noted above. I really don't want to rip it all back apart but will if
> > > i have
> > to. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
> > Nico Over
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