RE: Fuel injection

[Earl Helm <earlh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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Don't get me started on why there is nothing for Mopars, and why it cost
so much to buy a Mopar part.
If your not careful when building a big Mopar, you will paint yourself
into the expensive part corner. I
just had J&E quote me $1100.00 for a stroker set of pistons. It was
beginning to look like the only option
until I found someone making 55 over Chevy-Mopar pistons with a dome
stock off the shelf. So I am now
forced to run an odd ball oversize (for Mopar) just to get a reasonably
priced piston. Don't get me started
on good roller rocker prices, way more for a Mopar set, heck the corner
7-11 sells roller rockers for chevys
and they are cheap.....

I think you could take a Victor manifold, put any large throttle body on
it, poke a few injectors in the runners,
adapt some fuel rails, or build some, buy an aftermarket brain, and have
injection for a reasonable cost.
I just want to wait for someone else to work out all the mapping issues.
I went through that with my SS Impala.
(Don't throw rocks). I bought the software, plugged in the lap top, and
started playing with the map. The
more I messed with it, the slower it went. So I got a map from some guys
who had worked it out, and
whamo - she ran like a scalded cat. I just remember all that frustration
of messing with it for days and
getting no where. I CAN tune a Holley in a day, even if Bubba had been
playing with it.

Now on the cool side, I found a 392 this weekend. I just need something
to put it in. I think I can hear
the whine of a blower in the back of my mind.

Earl


I have always wondered why so few Mopars are set up with fuel injection?
I've seen the blue oval and bow tie boys using them for years at the car
shows. I've only seen a couple FI equipped older Mopars.
    I've always been interested to try it and I'm finding this thread to
be an interesting read. I can only assume that if we hang in there long
enough, these parts will become much cheaper, (much like 50 mHz
computers, which I believe sold new for $5K + about 10 years ago). But,
like many of you, I'm still more comfortable tweaking on my good ol'
Carter AFB!!!

Regards,
Dan Bendixon
(2) '65 Monacos
'65 Custom 880
'73 Dart Sport "340"
'88 Dakota
and OH MY GOD I want one of those new Chrysler 300C's!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Helm" <earlh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:01 PM
Subject: RE: Fuel injection


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Dave,

There are more and more of these coming on the market. When I was at
SEMA this year I saw several of them. In fact I think Holly is making
one for a BR Mopar. Not sure about that, but I think I remember talking
to someone in their booth that said they were working on it. It is for
sure the way to go.

Earl

I'm working on my own EFI swap with a standard multiport sequential
system. I am not using Hilborn's though, I'm using a plain old
Offenhauser aluminum 4 bbl intake with a throttle body instead of a
carburetor. I hope to have it running and driving this winter and finish
the fine tuning by next summer. This is not an $8,000 investment, but I
am doing almost everything myself. It should come out under $4,000
easily, plus my time.

Dave Casey

----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Helm" <earlh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: Fuel injection


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> Ken,
>
> People are taking the old 8 port Hilborn mechanical injection, putting

> one or two electrical injectors per port, with a brain, mapping it, 
> and it runs great when your finished. The key words are "When your 
> finished". It looks cool because it is old
school,
> and runs like new
> school. Most of the guys that I have seen doing it wind up with about
8
> grand invested.
> Even though it is neat, a Holly 1050 looks a lot better on "my" Visa.
>
> Earl
>
>
> Hi Earl,
> Are you talking about converting to mechanical or electrical FI? I 
> assume electrical, but you mentioned Hilborn. Thanks, Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Earl Helm [mailto:earlh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:45 AM
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Old Reliable
>
> Don,
>
> The simple answer is fuel injection. I have been following a few guys 
> who are converting to FI. One has a radical 440 with an 8 port 
> Hilborn. After he put the fuel injection unit on and dialed it in, the

> drivability was like night and day. However, it is very expensive, and

> time consuming, since it takes several dyno runs just to get into the 
> ball park. I would love to do in, but I have to many other things 
> going on. Plus I love the Ruckety Puckety part.
>
> In fact, he was a bit disappointed with how much the injection 
> smoothed out the engine. The wave of the future. If I want smooth, and

> powerful, that is why I have the Mercedes with the V8.
>
> Earl
>
> I will be OK. Time is my only problem and if you all can wait then I 
> have no problem getting it done. The other book Return to Deutschland 
> has more than enough preoders to offset the cost of reprinting Old 
> Reliable as i have orders both here and in Europe for it. It is just 
> that the printer is almost 3 weeks behind on the contract for 
> finishing the book and I have to pay them when they are done. Also 
> There is no point in me giving them another order till they have 
> completed this one.
>
> On another note.
> I now have over 14000+ miles on my 63 and winter is drawing nigh. We 
> might get another month of cruise nights but that is about it. I have 
> to change the headers as I have a cracked one on the drivers side 
> which I have repaired twice. I am thinking of pulling the 426 and 
> exploring the possiblility of getting some tamer drivability while not

> losing any power. Modern engines are now doing this and I believe it 
> is possible to bring an older engine into this new relm / We shall 
> see. I have some ideas most of which are cam related . It is not that 
> I don't enjoy the current engine because I do. It is a mindblower to 
> drive and never fails to make me smile. It is just that I am curious 
> We shall see Don
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