RE: [Chrysler300] Brake shoe retainer/hold down spring - G
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RE: [Chrysler300] Brake shoe retainer/hold down spring - G

Hugh:   & #18 at:        & pictures:  The key to the success of both tools is even pressure on all five lugs.  I have the special tool #18 and it works like a charm.  Crude but hell-for-stout-and-last-forever.   In a worst case, a little heat on the hub can help and a brass hammer on the puller to make it pop.  Safety first.  Put the castellated nut back on the end of the shaft with enough threads to hold it when the hub pops/bangs loose—or you may be wearing the puller and hub while singing soprano. 


300K’s may have 2 ½” or 3” wide rear brakes and the backing plates and brake hardware are not the same.  Opinion:  Have the shop take only the mildest cleanup pass on the drum ID in order to maintain a safe thickness.  These drums are getting hard to find.  


Reminder.  The LH drum studs have LH threads—don’t switch sides.  Aluminum paint stick marker on the LH drum: “LH threads” would be prudent.


It is always possible the brake shoes are in the extended position and may hang up on the lip of a badly-worn drum.  Make sure the shoes are retracted as the automatic adjuster may actually be working to keep the shoes close to the drum ID.  


Good luck,


Rich Barber

Brentwood, CA (82F @ 2:30 PM)


From: Hugh Baldus <Hugh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 6:41 AM
To: David <torquechap@xxxxxxxxx>; Rich Barber <c300@xxxxxxx>
Cc: Anna F Noia <sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Ronald Kurtz <mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Ray Jones <1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx>; Rick Vitek <rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Listsaver 300 Club <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Chris Pinder <kmaniak@xxxxxxx>; NitrousTuner1 <horsepowertoybox@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Brake shoe retainer/hold down spring - G


Hi folks,


Trying to do the rear brakes on my 300K, mechanic is having trouble getting one of the drums off.  Any advice?  Do we need a special puller of some sort?  Any help would be appreciated-


Hugh Baldus 

Ph: 260.424.2366



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From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David torquechap@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:torquechap@xxxxxxxxx>  [Chrysler300]
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 11:01 AM
To: Rich Barber
Cc: Anna F Noia; Ronald Kurtz; Ray Jones; Rick Vitek; Listsaver 300 Club; Chris Pinder
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Brake shoe retainer/hold down spring - G



Hi Rich,

No OEM pro portioning valve on the '64. The remote booster makes disc brake conversions impossible. No manufacturers have been able to figure out a workaround. 


On Aug 14, 2015, at 12:34 AM, 'Rich Barber' c300@xxxxxxx <mailto:c300@xxxxxxx>  [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


I don’t believe there is a proportioning valve in our ’64 Ram K with the 3” rear drums & shoes.  Not that it might not be a good idea.  Anyone seen them on 300’s before 1999?  Mine get a little grabby in a hard stop—to rear lockup.  Not many hours on the new brakes yet.


The service manual indicates 3” drums and shoes on all ’64 300’s & NY’s.  2.5” rear drums on Newport only.  Length and material of lining are different.  Interesting footnote-Police car HD brakes are not self-adjusting.


The remote power brake booster on ram-engined cars makes disk brake conversion problematic.


Keep calm and 300 on.


Rich Barber

Brentwood, CA.


From: Anna F Noia [mailto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 6:46 AM
To: Ronald Kurtz <mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 'Ray Jones' <1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx> >; 'Rick Vitek' <rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >; Rich Barber <c300@xxxxxxx <mailto:c300@xxxxxxx> >
Cc: 'Listsaver 300 Club' <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Brake shoe retainer/hold down spring - G


Ron K.

Remember when you add the extra stopping power with the 3" rear brakes shoes, you will need to adjust the proportioning valve for less stopping to the rear. I did a similar job on a Montego Cyclone, went from 2" to 2.5" shoes on the rear. I immediately had rear lock up on hard braking. A second thought, going to 3" rears, I assume your front are also 3", correct? Or, do you have disc brakes on the front? I would suggest going disc's all the way round, front and rear. The front are an easy change with several choices, all using stock Chrysler parts. The rear also can be done using the 74 Imperial Rear disc set up. Believe it or not, it bolts straight on to the 8.75 rear end from the 9.25 Imperial rear. I did this on my 66 Sport Fury Convertible, anyway Good luck with it all, any increase in "Brakes" is a Good Thing!

Best Regards,
Stephen A. Noia
1-408-210-4736 cell



On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 2:50 PM, "Ronald Kurtz mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:



Hello, all:

I converted the rear brakes on my "Knewport" to 3-inch rear brakes. What was needed to go from 2 1/2 inch to 3 inch drums and shoes are support plates that that can mount 3" shoes, hardware and a 3" brake drum. Mine works fine. Three-inch support plates drop back 1/2 inch to accommodate 3" drums on the axles.

Ron Kurtz
E #292

On Sun, 8/9/15, 'Rich Barber' c300@xxxxxxx <mailto:c300@xxxxxxx>  [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Brake shoe retainer/hold down spring - G
To: "'Ray Jones'" <1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx> >, "'Rick Vitek'" <rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
Cc: "'Listsaver 300 Club'" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
Date: Sunday, August 9, 2015, 8:32 PM


Be very
careful to get the parts for HD brakes as the wider rear
shoes may require different springs and nails.  These may
be included under 300, wagon or HD suspension.
 Rich in Brentwood  with a 300 Ram K car having HD
brakes standard.  3” wide shoes & drums vs. 2 ½”
on most other ’64 Chryslers. Came to me with 2 ½” shoes
in the 3” drums.  Worked OK, but t’warn’t right. 
Shoe lining material and length on different ‘64’s were
different also, but that’s too much to ask.
 From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray
Jones 1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx>  [Chrysler300]
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:10
To: Rick Vitek
<rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
Listsaver 300 Club <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >; Ray
Jones <1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx> >
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Brake shoe
retainer/hold down spring - G    Have you checked your local parts
house?This kinda thing is readily
available at any of the 4 parts houses here in
Mena.These springs, pins and cups are
generic, I believe, and fit thousands of
cars.Even if they don't have a kit
listed for your car, check what they have for
fit.I just bought kits for the rear of
my Hurst, and I'm sure the hold downs are the same as
any I have ever installed.The kits may differ due to the
other springs included, which may be different from model to
model, but the shoe hold down is the same.Ray  On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 11:05
AM, 'Rick Vitek' rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
Looking for
the brake shoe retainer spring hardware (nail, 2 cups, coil
spring) for a G. Don't see it listed for this
application on internet searches. Does anyone know of a
source? I imagine this retainer length was used on other
applications and would be willing to get a hardware set for
that other application.


-- Ray Jones. Y'all
come on down an see us. Ya

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