Re: [Chrysler300] Gas chemistry

["Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I live in California and I have seen and lived the agendas of the fruitcakes
who run our government.  No nuclear power, no coal, no oil drilling,  no
dam's, no windmills(kills some birds).  We all yap about renewable
resources(yea rite, ethanol that requires the planting of corn, the
harvesting of same, the refining of same, the shipping of same and of course
let us not forget the fuel burned and smog created to do all of this and of
course is  sponsored by a certain "special interest" with tremendous
political clout).  Of course we can have solar power, but when US Steel can
smelt steel with solar power, I will be a believer.  For most of us the cost
of solar is 5 to 10 times what other more standard methods entail. So for
the indefinite future is doomed to providing solar heat for swimming pools
and some hot water heaters for the home.  Once saw a bumper sticker that
said "may all you environmentalists freeze to death in the dark".

So unless and until some of these tree-huggers can tell me exactly how they
are going to make us energy independent, at a cost we can afford, and reduce
zero smog doing it I will continue to believe Mr. Jones and Mr. Jugle have
it absolutely correct. I cannot afford the California "feel good" BS
anymore.  My ticker gets stressed.

My personal vote is for nuclear(seems to serve Japan and France well).  It
answers most all the problems but again the wacko's (most of whom do not
know that the cause of the 24 hour day and night cycle is the rotation of
the Earth) think it will turn us into the next Hiroshima.  They are unaware
that the USA has had nuclear power for the production of electricity since
the early 50's(I can remember a plant in my home state of Nebraska at a town
called Hallam(SP) producing nuclear power when I was a youth of 10 or 12
years old, may still be producing for all I know).  I doubt that any
tree-hugger in the country can give a single example of a single death in
this country caused by nuclear power in the past 50 or 60 years.  Surprise,
surprise some 20 to 30 percent of our power plants run off uranium, even a
lot in Calyfornia.  A simple Google search would probably turn up 1000's of
deaths from coal mining(not to mention the massive costs to transport it) or
oil drilling incidents.  Want to talk about the millions who have probably
died early from dirty air from coal powered plants?  I thought not!

Roger Schaaf
300 B California--and sometimes I do not tell people.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <smopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <lajugle@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Gas chemistry



 Ray, I don' t know where you live, but it probably isn't California.  Those
of us who live here are grateful for the substantial improvement in air
quality over the last 20 years.  Despite enormous growth and vehicle miles
travelled, air quality has steadily improved.  As a person who is involved
in setting vehicle tailpipe standards, all I can say about your comments is
that you do not have your facts right, either about scrappage or stationary
source emissions or credit programs.  I won't go into the details because it
rarely helps when someone has their mind made up.  Not everyone is as stupid
as you might think.  Nor is government as corrupt as you suggest.  Those of
us in this field are doing all we can to improve air quality in an open
deliberative process.  Perhaps on to other topics more germane to the
purpose of this board.
Steve Albu

---- Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> The real secret is that the Tree Huggers and other environmental groups
> consist of 3 wacky Scientists , and thousands of rumor loving idiots.
> All  with good intentions, of course.
> For 20 years we've had constant improvement in Auto emissions, until
> cars almost run on smog, but they still want more. It all hides the
> truth that the biggest producers are the power plants and other big
> industry. They, unlike you and me, contribute heavily to the political
> campaigns and there-by get waivers. Our gas just goes up.
> A few years ago, Readers Digest had a story about power companies that
> sold unused emission credits. If  they didn't produce a certain
> chemical in their exhaust, they could sell that  to a plant that
> produced too much of that chemical, there-by averaging the emissions.
> This was also the basis of the CA junker buying campaign. Give you some
> money for your old broke car and get credit for the inflated amounts of
> emissions not produced by the car for the next 10 years. Then they just
> gave the Gov the credits instead of fixing their emission problem.
> Sort of like Social Security, it's not going to run out of money, there
> is none, just IOU's for the money the Gov has spent for the last 30
> years.
>
> Ray
>
>
> It's getting time for y'all to be polishing up your rides for the
> Spring Meet! Be there, or be Square!  Ray
>
> On Jan 4, 2005, at 4:59 PM, L.Andrew Jugle wrote:
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> >
> > Isn't MTBE Methyl Tert-Butyl Ethanol???The secret is to get as many
> > complex bonds to condition the fuel rather than explode. Tetra Ethyl
> > Lead was an additive that slowed combustion allowing short chain
> > hydrocarbons in higher compression fuel mixes without pre-detonating
> > allowing longer chain hydrocarbons to burn at same time. TEL helped
> > stabilize cracked long chains in synthetic fuels by giving longer
> > shelf life...about two weeks!!
> >
> > Research numbers are results of comparing fuel explosions in
> > comparison to pure octane (thought to be the ultimate "pure fuel"
> > hydrocarbon). The single cylinder "engine" is fired and height of
> > free piston determines the rating as compared to octane reading
> > as "100". Since the tree huggers could not fathom the
> > concept "octane rating" is now legislated. Try as they might, the
> > environmentalists cannot seem to re-write the laws of thermodynamics.
> >
> > The primary difference of classic 60's Sunoco 260 and
> > todays "Premium" is that modified long chain hydrocarbons aren't
> > there. The fuel physically has less weight. More heat energy is
> > produced and lost to engine and less energy is transffered to pistons.
> >
> > Miles per gallon have been sacrificed to butterfly breath.
> >
> > L. Andrew Jugle, Elmhurst,IL.
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