AMEN Roger, From a native Californian thats still paying $ 2.45/ gal. of gas- Gary Barker Roger Schaaf wrote: >I live in California and I have seen and lived the agendas of the fruitcakes >who run our government. No nuclear power, no coal, no oil drilling, no >dam's, no windmills(kills some birds). We all yap about renewable >resources(yea rite, ethanol that requires the planting of corn, the >harvesting of same, the refining of same, the shipping of same and of course >let us not forget the fuel burned and smog created to do all of this and of >course is sponsored by a certain "special interest" with tremendous >political clout). Of course we can have solar power, but when US Steel can >smelt steel with solar power, I will be a believer. For most of us the cost >of solar is 5 to 10 times what other more standard methods entail. So for >the indefinite future is doomed to providing solar heat for swimming pools >and some hot water heaters for the home. Once saw a bumper sticker that >said "may all you environmentalists freeze to death in the dark". > >So unless and until some of these tree-huggers can tell me exactly how they >are going to make us energy independent, at a cost we can afford, and reduce >zero smog doing it I will continue to believe Mr. Jones and Mr. Jugle have >it absolutely correct. I cannot afford the California "feel good" BS >anymore. My ticker gets stressed. > >My personal vote is for nuclear(seems to serve Japan and France well). It >answers most all the problems but again the wacko's (most of whom do not >know that the cause of the 24 hour day and night cycle is the rotation of >the Earth) think it will turn us into the next Hiroshima. They are unaware >that the USA has had nuclear power for the production of electricity since >the early 50's(I can remember a plant in my home state of Nebraska at a town >called Hallam(SP) producing nuclear power when I was a youth of 10 or 12 >years old, may still be producing for all I know). I doubt that any >tree-hugger in the country can give a single example of a single death in >this country caused by nuclear power in the past 50 or 60 years. Surprise, >surprise some 20 to 30 percent of our power plants run off uranium, even a >lot in Calyfornia. A simple Google search would probably turn up 1000's of >deaths from coal mining(not to mention the massive costs to transport it) or >oil drilling incidents. Want to talk about the millions who have probably >died early from dirty air from coal powered plants? I thought not! > >Roger Schaaf >300 B California--and sometimes I do not tell people. >----- Original Message ----- >From: <smopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >To: <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx> >Cc: <lajugle@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:12 PM >Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Gas chemistry > > > > Ray, I don' t know where you live, but it probably isn't California. Those >of us who live here are grateful for the substantial improvement in air >quality over the last 20 years. Despite enormous growth and vehicle miles >travelled, air quality has steadily improved. As a person who is involved >in setting vehicle tailpipe standards, all I can say about your comments is >that you do not have your facts right, either about scrappage or stationary >source emissions or credit programs. I won't go into the details because it >rarely helps when someone has their mind made up. Not everyone is as stupid >as you might think. Nor is government as corrupt as you suggest. Those of >us in this field are doing all we can to improve air quality in an open >deliberative process. Perhaps on to other topics more germane to the >purpose of this board. >Steve Albu > >---- Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > >>The real secret is that the Tree Huggers and other environmental groups >>consist of 3 wacky Scientists , and thousands of rumor loving idiots. >>All with good intentions, of course. >>For 20 years we've had constant improvement in Auto emissions, until >>cars almost run on smog, but they still want more. It all hides the >>truth that the biggest producers are the power plants and other big >>industry. They, unlike you and me, contribute heavily to the political >>campaigns and there-by get waivers. Our gas just goes up. >>A few years ago, Readers Digest had a story about power companies that >>sold unused emission credits. If they didn't produce a certain >>chemical in their exhaust, they could sell that to a plant that >>produced too much of that chemical, there-by averaging the emissions. >>This was also the basis of the CA junker buying campaign. Give you some >>money for your old broke car and get credit for the inflated amounts of >>emissions not produced by the car for the next 10 years. Then they just >>gave the Gov the credits instead of fixing their emission problem. >>Sort of like Social Security, it's not going to run out of money, there >>is none, just IOU's for the money the Gov has spent for the last 30 >>years. >> >>Ray >> >> >>It's getting time for y'all to be polishing up your rides for the >>Spring Meet! Be there, or be Square! Ray >> >>On Jan 4, 2005, at 4:59 PM, L.Andrew Jugle wrote: >> >> >> >>>Isn't MTBE Methyl Tert-Butyl Ethanol???The secret is to get as many >>>complex bonds to condition the fuel rather than explode. Tetra Ethyl >>>Lead was an additive that slowed combustion allowing short chain >>>hydrocarbons in higher compression fuel mixes without pre-detonating >>>allowing longer chain hydrocarbons to burn at same time. TEL helped >>>stabilize cracked long chains in synthetic fuels by giving longer >>>shelf life...about two weeks!! >>> >>>Research numbers are results of comparing fuel explosions in >>>comparison to pure octane (thought to be the ultimate "pure fuel" >>>hydrocarbon). The single cylinder "engine" is fired and height of >>>free piston determines the rating as compared to octane reading >>>as "100". Since the tree huggers could not fathom the >>>concept "octane rating" is now legislated. Try as they might, the >>>environmentalists cannot seem to re-write the laws of thermodynamics. >>> >>>The primary difference of classic 60's Sunoco 260 and >>>todays "Premium" is that modified long chain hydrocarbons aren't >>>there. The fuel physically has less weight. More heat energy is >>>produced and lost to engine and less energy is transffered to pistons. >>> >>>Miles per gallon have been sacrificed to butterfly breath. >>> >>>L. Andrew Jugle, Elmhurst,IL. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>To send a message to this group, send an email to: >>>Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>>For list server instructions, go >>>tohttp://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm >>> >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>>Â. To visit your group on the web, go to: >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/ >>> >>>Â. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>>Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>>Â. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to theYahoo! Terms of Service. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >>To send a message to this group, send an email to: >>Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>For list server instructions, go to >> >> >http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm > > >>Yahoo! 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