Re: [Chrysler300] Gas chemistry

["Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sorry, I said early 50's on Hallam, I meant the early 60's.  The plant was
decommissioned as result of a design flaw that was considered a threat in
any way.  No harm was done to anyone, and the decommissioned plant is not a
hazard of any kind.  This was 45 years ago.  I think the science has
progressed since then, but even with this very primitive technology, still
no fatal incidents.

Roger Schaaf

Roger Schaaf
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <smopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <lajugle@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Gas chemistry


> I live in California and I have seen and lived the agendas of the
fruitcakes
> who run our government.  No nuclear power, no coal, no oil drilling,  no
> dam's, no windmills(kills some birds).  We all yap about renewable
> resources(yea rite, ethanol that requires the planting of corn, the
> harvesting of same, the refining of same, the shipping of same and of
course
> let us not forget the fuel burned and smog created to do all of this and
of
> course is  sponsored by a certain "special interest" with tremendous
> political clout).  Of course we can have solar power, but when US Steel
can
> smelt steel with solar power, I will be a believer.  For most of us the
cost
> of solar is 5 to 10 times what other more standard methods entail. So for
> the indefinite future is doomed to providing solar heat for swimming pools
> and some hot water heaters for the home.  Once saw a bumper sticker that
> said "may all you environmentalists freeze to death in the dark".
>
> So unless and until some of these tree-huggers can tell me exactly how
they
> are going to make us energy independent, at a cost we can afford, and
reduce
> zero smog doing it I will continue to believe Mr. Jones and Mr. Jugle have
> it absolutely correct. I cannot afford the California "feel good" BS
> anymore.  My ticker gets stressed.
>
> My personal vote is for nuclear(seems to serve Japan and France well).  It
> answers most all the problems but again the wacko's (most of whom do not
> know that the cause of the 24 hour day and night cycle is the rotation of
> the Earth) think it will turn us into the next Hiroshima.  They are
unaware
> that the USA has had nuclear power for the production of electricity since
> the early 50's(I can remember a plant in my home state of Nebraska at a
town
> called Hallam(SP) producing nuclear power when I was a youth of 10 or 12
> years old, may still be producing for all I know).  I doubt that any
> tree-hugger in the country can give a single example of a single death in
> this country caused by nuclear power in the past 50 or 60 years.
Surprise,
> surprise some 20 to 30 percent of our power plants run off uranium, even a
> lot in Calyfornia.  A simple Google search would probably turn up 1000's
of
> deaths from coal mining(not to mention the massive costs to transport it)
or
> oil drilling incidents.  Want to talk about the millions who have probably
> died early from dirty air from coal powered plants?  I thought not!
>
> Roger Schaaf
> 300 B California--and sometimes I do not tell people.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <smopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <lajugle@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Gas chemistry
>
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>
>  Ray, I don' t know where you live, but it probably isn't California.
Those
> of us who live here are grateful for the substantial improvement in air
> quality over the last 20 years.  Despite enormous growth and vehicle miles
> travelled, air quality has steadily improved.  As a person who is involved
> in setting vehicle tailpipe standards, all I can say about your comments
is
> that you do not have your facts right, either about scrappage or
stationary
> source emissions or credit programs.  I won't go into the details because
it
> rarely helps when someone has their mind made up.  Not everyone is as
stupid
> as you might think.  Nor is government as corrupt as you suggest.  Those
of
> us in this field are doing all we can to improve air quality in an open
> deliberative process.  Perhaps on to other topics more germane to the
> purpose of this board.
> Steve Albu
>
> ---- Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > The real secret is that the Tree Huggers and other environmental groups
> > consist of 3 wacky Scientists , and thousands of rumor loving idiots.
> > All  with good intentions, of course.
> > For 20 years we've had constant improvement in Auto emissions, until
> > cars almost run on smog, but they still want more. It all hides the
> > truth that the biggest producers are the power plants and other big
> > industry. They, unlike you and me, contribute heavily to the political
> > campaigns and there-by get waivers. Our gas just goes up.
> > A few years ago, Readers Digest had a story about power companies that
> > sold unused emission credits. If  they didn't produce a certain
> > chemical in their exhaust, they could sell that  to a plant that
> > produced too much of that chemical, there-by averaging the emissions.
> > This was also the basis of the CA junker buying campaign. Give you some
> > money for your old broke car and get credit for the inflated amounts of
> > emissions not produced by the car for the next 10 years. Then they just
> > gave the Gov the credits instead of fixing their emission problem.
> > Sort of like Social Security, it's not going to run out of money, there
> > is none, just IOU's for the money the Gov has spent for the last 30
> > years.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
> > It's getting time for y'all to be polishing up your rides for the
> > Spring Meet! Be there, or be Square!  Ray
> >
> > On Jan 4, 2005, at 4:59 PM, L.Andrew Jugle wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Isn't MTBE Methyl Tert-Butyl Ethanol???The secret is to get as many
> > > complex bonds to condition the fuel rather than explode. Tetra Ethyl
> > > Lead was an additive that slowed combustion allowing short chain
> > > hydrocarbons in higher compression fuel mixes without pre-detonating
> > > allowing longer chain hydrocarbons to burn at same time. TEL helped
> > > stabilize cracked long chains in synthetic fuels by giving longer
> > > shelf life...about two weeks!!
> > >
> > > Research numbers are results of comparing fuel explosions in
> > > comparison to pure octane (thought to be the ultimate "pure fuel"
> > > hydrocarbon). The single cylinder "engine" is fired and height of
> > > free piston determines the rating as compared to octane reading
> > > as "100". Since the tree huggers could not fathom the
> > > concept "octane rating" is now legislated. Try as they might, the
> > > environmentalists cannot seem to re-write the laws of thermodynamics.
> > >
> > > The primary difference of classic 60's Sunoco 260 and
> > > todays "Premium" is that modified long chain hydrocarbons aren't
> > > there. The fuel physically has less weight. More heat energy is
> > > produced and lost to engine and less energy is transffered to pistons.
> > >
> > > Miles per gallon have been sacrificed to butterfly breath.
> > >
> > > L. Andrew Jugle, Elmhurst,IL.
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