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1. Re: low compression.. all cylinders?
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
2. low compression.. all cylinders? - reply
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. resend
From: crash5194@xxxxxxx
4. Re: low compression.. all cylinders? - reply
From: Marshall R Larson <yelof@xxxxxxxx>
5. low compression.. all cylinders? - reply to reply to reply
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. U-Bolt Install
From: "jennifer allyn" <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Backglass upper trim clips
From: "Myles Wallace" <myles1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Linkage part
From: Phil Greenfeld <pgreen413@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
9. Re: low compression.. all cylinders?
From: "Helen and Loren" <lorenhelen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: U-Bolt Install
From: Robert Merritt <okbobwynmer@xxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: Linkage part
From: "Moana & Gerry Steinberg" <mopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
12. Re: resend
From: hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:58:46 -0800
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: low compression.. all cylinders?
Hi Mike,
What has likely happened from the long storage is that the rings are
frozen to the pistons. You could try flooding the cylinders with marvel oil,
but it likely needs to come apart. The valves are also likely to be sticky
in the guides and you could cause more damage starting it than it's worth.
The good news is that if it still turns over, it's rebuildable.
300ly,
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: <mwl1967@xxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 7:50 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] low compression.. all cylinders?
> Hi all,
> picked up what looks like is going to be a parts car for my
K.
> The engine hasnt run in what could be decades. The carb was frozen, the
spark
> plugs were missing but the engine wasnt locked up so I thought about
trying
> to start it.
>
> Compression check shows about 30-40 psi in each cylinder. Is
> this abnormality a result of just sitting stagnant for so long? Should I
> waste time with plugs, wires, carb etc and trying to start it or is it
just a
> boat anchor?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:02:18 -0500
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: low compression.. all cylinders? - reply
Mike,
I agree with Don. ; the only way to know for sure where the compression is
going (leaking) is to put a cylinder at TDC, then put compressed air in that
cylinder and listen to hear where it's escaping. Out the tailpipe = rings
froze; out the intake or exhaust = bad or frozen valves. Repeat procedure
for each cylinder and you will know exactly what you're up against ! If
coming out intake or exhaust, sometimes rapping the affected valve with a
BFH (Big F... Hammer) will unstick it.
Look at it this way - things could be a lot worse, you could be here in the
Northeast freezing your butt off, instead of in Phoenix working in your
driveway in a t-shirt !
J.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <mwl1967@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] low compression.. all cylinders?
> Hi Mike,
> What has likely happened from the long storage is that the rings are
> frozen to the pistons. You could try flooding the cylinders with marvel
oil,
> but it likely needs to come apart. The valves are also likely to be sticky
> in the guides and you could cause more damage starting it than it's worth.
> The good news is that if it still turns over, it's rebuildable.
> 300ly,
> Don
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mwl1967@xxxxxxx>
> To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 7:50 AM
> Subject: [Chrysler300] low compression.. all cylinders?
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > picked up what looks like is going to be a parts car for my
> K.
> > The engine hasnt run in what could be decades. The carb was frozen, the
> spark
> > plugs were missing but the engine wasnt locked up so I thought about
> trying
> > to start it.
> >
> > Compression check shows about 30-40 psi in each cylinder.
Is
> > this abnormality a result of just sitting stagnant for so long? Should
I
> > waste time with plugs, wires, carb etc and trying to start it or is it
> just a
> > boat anchor?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Mike
> >
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:20:04 EST
From: crash5194@xxxxxxx
Subject: resend
Not sure if it went through the first time
Hi to all,
I am glad to see so many remember Crime Story and other shows and
movies that have MoPars in them. Makes you wonder if a Chrysler product was
"Thee" car to own back then, and even now.
I have been doing some work on my 64 300-K convert, trying to get it
ready for another year of crusie nights and shows.
Here is some parts info some may find useful. I just finished
rebuilding my steering box and power steering pump. I got the rebuild kits
at the local NAPA.
The p/s pump seal kit # is 7-106. The p/s box kit is 1-117. The box
kit is a major seal kit and will refit from 1961 to 1968 p/s steering boxes.
Also, I tuned-up my 727B torqueflite. The NAPA # is 1-9715. This
will get you cork gaskets (you get one for the 707 and 904), but most
important, you get the filter with the two hole pick-up for the 1964 and
below. Single hole pick-up filter should not be used.
That's all for now,
Paul (crash)
300-K convert
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:46:47 -0600
From: Marshall R Larson <yelof@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: low compression.. all cylinders? - reply
John.
Why would air leaking past stuck rings be heard at the tailpipe? Don't
you mean that if it's not heard at the tailpipe (bad exhaust valves) or
at the carburator (bad intake valves), then it must be leaking past the
rings? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Also, are you referring to a "Fat" hammer?
Freezing!!! Most of those commenting about the temperature don"t even
know what COLD is. Double digits below zero over night and single digits
above during the day is "just another day" here.
Cold is 30+ below at night and not warming to zero during the day. I
have experienced not warming to zero for 30 days strait and not warming
to +32 degrees for 62 days running. Here we wear more than a T-shirt to
go to bed!
Marshall in Minnesota.
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:02:18 -0500 John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
writes:
> Mike,
>
> I agree with Don. ; the only way to know for sure where the
> compression is
> going (leaking) is to put a cylinder at TDC, then put compressed air
> in that
> cylinder and listen to hear where it's escaping. Out the tailpipe =
> rings
> froze; out the intake or exhaust = bad or frozen valves. Repeat
> procedure
> for each cylinder and you will know exactly what you're up against !
> If
> coming out intake or exhaust, sometimes rapping the affected valve
> with a
> BFH (Big F... Hammer) will unstick it.
>
> Look at it this way - things could be a lot worse, you could be here
> in the
> Northeast freezing your butt off, instead of in Phoenix working in
> your
> driveway in a t-shirt !
>
> J.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
> To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <mwl1967@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] low compression.. all cylinders?
>
>
> > Hi Mike,
> > What has likely happened from the long storage is that the rings
> are
> > frozen to the pistons. You could try flooding the cylinders with
> marvel
> oil,
> > but it likely needs to come apart. The valves are also likely to
> be sticky
> > in the guides and you could cause more damage starting it than
> it's worth.
> > The good news is that if it still turns over, it's rebuildable.
> > 300ly,
> > Don
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <mwl1967@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 7:50 AM
> > Subject: [Chrysler300] low compression.. all cylinders?
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > > picked up what looks like is going to be a parts
> car for my
> > K.
> > > The engine hasnt run in what could be decades. The carb was
> frozen, the
> > spark
> > > plugs were missing but the engine wasnt locked up so I thought
> about
> > trying
> > > to start it.
> > >
> > > Compression check shows about 30-40 psi in each
> cylinder.
> Is
> > > this abnormality a result of just sitting stagnant for so long?
> Should
> I
> > > waste time with plugs, wires, carb etc and trying to start it or
> is it
> > just a
> > > boat anchor?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:51:54 -0500
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: low compression.. all cylinders? - reply to reply to reply
Hey, Marshall in Minnesota
You are quite right, my mind musta zigged when it shoulda zagged. I meant
to say that any air escaping into CRANKCASE would indicate bad rings. Air
out of intake = leak at intake valve; air out of exhaust pipe = leaking
exhaust valve.
So simple - yet I had to muck it all up ! Sorry ! Glad to see that extreme
cold in your area has not frozen your brain !
John
Sag Harbor NY
11 degrees.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marshall R Larson" <yelof@xxxxxxxx>
To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] low compression.. all cylinders? - reply
> John.
>
> Why would air leaking past stuck rings be heard at the tailpipe? Don't
> you mean that if it's not heard at the tailpipe (bad exhaust valves) or
> at the carburator (bad intake valves), then it must be leaking past the
> rings? Please correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Also, are you referring to a "Fat" hammer?
>
> Freezing!!! Most of those commenting about the temperature don"t even
> know what COLD is. Double digits below zero over night and single digits
> above during the day is "just another day" here.
> Cold is 30+ below at night and not warming to zero during the day. I
> have experienced not warming to zero for 30 days strait and not warming
> to +32 degrees for 62 days running. Here we wear more than a T-shirt to
> go to bed!
>
> Marshall in Minnesota.
>
> On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:02:18 -0500 John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> writes:
> > Mike,
> >
> > I agree with Don. ; the only way to know for sure where the
> > compression is
> > going (leaking) is to put a cylinder at TDC, then put compressed air
> > in that
> > cylinder and listen to hear where it's escaping. Out the tailpipe =
> > rings
> > froze; out the intake or exhaust = bad or frozen valves. Repeat
> > procedure
> > for each cylinder and you will know exactly what you're up against !
> > If
> > coming out intake or exhaust, sometimes rapping the affected valve
> > with a
> > BFH (Big F... Hammer) will unstick it.
> >
> > Look at it this way - things could be a lot worse, you could be here
> > in the
> > Northeast freezing your butt off, instead of in Phoenix working in
> > your
> > driveway in a t-shirt !
> >
> > J.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <mwl1967@xxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] low compression.. all cylinders?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > > What has likely happened from the long storage is that the rings
> > are
> > > frozen to the pistons. You could try flooding the cylinders with
> > marvel
> > oil,
> > > but it likely needs to come apart. The valves are also likely to
> > be sticky
> > > in the guides and you could cause more damage starting it than
> > it's worth.
> > > The good news is that if it still turns over, it's rebuildable.
> > > 300ly,
> > > Don
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <mwl1967@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 7:50 AM
> > > Subject: [Chrysler300] low compression.. all cylinders?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > picked up what looks like is going to be a parts
> > car for my
> > > K.
> > > > The engine hasnt run in what could be decades. The carb was
> > frozen, the
> > > spark
> > > > plugs were missing but the engine wasnt locked up so I thought
> > about
> > > trying
> > > > to start it.
> > > >
> > > > Compression check shows about 30-40 psi in each
> > cylinder.
> > Is
> > > > this abnormality a result of just sitting stagnant for so long?
> > Should
> > I
> > > > waste time with plugs, wires, carb etc and trying to start it or
> > is it
> > > just a
> > > > boat anchor?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Mike
> > > >
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:22:48 -0800
From: "jennifer allyn" <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: U-Bolt Install
Best way to install new u-bolts?
Jack up the rear axle as high as possible and install?
Does the leaf spring need to be raised also?
Thanks,
Matt Allyn
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:45:13 -0500
From: "Myles Wallace" <myles1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Backglass upper trim clips
In need of a few of the metal backglass upper trim clips for my 300G. Does
anyone have a track on where these might be obtained? I know Gary Goers has
the lower backglass trim clips available.
Regards --
Myles Wallace, 300G
Frozen and Snow covered Western PA
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:32:10 -0800
From: Phil Greenfeld <pgreen413@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Linkage part
Hello I wanted to know if anyone knows about the linkage set-up from
a 1964 300K. Along the firewall there is a ten inch rod that goes on the
top of the linkage holding it together, anyways I am in need of this.
Can I
just get a ten inch price of rod from Home Depot? Also the rod going to
the carb is supposed to have a lil nipple on it to fit into the linkage
on the
carb the rod I have does not have this. What can I do to fit it onto the
carb?
Thanks for the help AGAIN!!
Phil
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:06:56 -0500
From: "Helen and Loren" <lorenhelen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: low compression.. all cylinders?
The even pressure on each cylinder indicates stuck rings. Try putting some 30 wt. oil in the cylinders and do the compression check again. It may increase compression. If it will start, I don't think it would hurt to start the engine. Heating up will help loosen the rings. If you get it running, adding some solvent like valve lifter cleaner to the crankcase may also help loosen the rings. Its a long shot but it could run OK.
If the compression won't come up to at least 60 psi or more, it probably will not start. In that case, you could add penetrating oil or the above solvent to the cylinders and let it soak for a few days. Then add heavy oil to the cylinders and try again. Bye the way don't try to start it in the garage and stay up wind when it starts, because it will smoke like an old tire burning until the rings start to free up. Good Luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: mwl1967@xxxxxxx
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] low compression.. all cylinders?
Hi all,
picked up what looks like is going to be a parts car for my K.
The engine hasnt run in what could be decades. The carb was frozen, the spark
plugs were missing but the engine wasnt locked up so I thought about trying
to start it.
Compression check shows about 30-40 psi in each cylinder. Is
this abnormality a result of just sitting stagnant for so long? Should I
waste time with plugs, wires, carb etc and trying to start it or is it just a
boat anchor?
Thanks
Mike
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:43:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Merritt <okbobwynmer@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: U-Bolt Install
Matt,
Do not jack up the axle. Since passenger car springs are under the axle, the weight of the car is suspended from the axle by the U-bolts and jacking or blocking under the axle and removing the U-bolts will let the car fall on you. Instead jack up the rear of the car until the rear wheels are just off the floor and block the car with stands under each side where the front of each rear spring fastens to the car. The U-bolts can be removed and new ones installed with the axle in place since it rests on top of the springs on the bolt that holds springs together. If the reason you are changing U-bolts is to take out lowering blocks, do one side at a time by lifting the axle just high enough to take out the block and install the shorter U-bolt before loosening the other side. This will prevent the heavier front of the differential from rolling forward as it tries to do if both sides are loose and you try to jack up either side. You need to take the bottom of the shock absorber off before you loosen the U-bolts so the spring can hang loose and DON'T block the axle; just let it rest on the springs. Make sure the spring perch hole is centered over the spring bolt before tightening the U-bolts, and you may need to then jack up the axle just far enough to put the shock back on. Be sure the car is well blocked so it can't fall on you. If nothing else is available, a stack of wheels with or without tires under the rear bumper will do. Be careful, Many people have been pinned under a car because they thought a bumper jack would be good enough.
Okie Bob
jennifer allyn <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Best way to install new u-bolts?
Jack up the rear axle as high as possible and install?
Does the leaf spring need to be raised also?
Thanks,
Matt Allyn
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:45:08 -0700
From: "Moana & Gerry Steinberg" <mopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Linkage part
Phil: Try Jeff Carter, JC Auto Restorations, Seattle, WA
Ph. 206/363-5270---Fax 206/440-7461
e-mail: jcauto@xxxxxxxxxx
He has repo linkage for 'F' & 'Gs', may have them your 'K'.
Good Luck.
Gerry Steinberg, Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Greenfeld" <pgreen413@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Linkage part
> Hello I wanted to know if anyone knows about the linkage set-up from
> a 1964 300K. Along the firewall there is a ten inch rod that goes on the
>
> top of the linkage holding it together, anyways I am in need of this.
> Can I
> just get a ten inch price of rod from Home Depot? Also the rod going to
> the carb is supposed to have a lil nipple on it to fit into the linkage
> on the
> carb the rod I have does not have this. What can I do to fit it onto the
>
> carb?
> Thanks for the help AGAIN!!
> Phil
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:28:15 -0500
From: hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: resend
If you look at the credits, you'll find "Cars provided by Chrysler
Corp". The big 3 had stables of cars which were lent to the studios for
the featured car scenes. Cheap advertising!
Of course the lending studio supplied other brands also, and these were
the ones that were wrecked, usually.
Don't know if the pratice is still in use, but there is many "Product
placements" in special scenes. You know they paid if the brand name is
prominently displayed.
See ya in Battle Creek, Ray Jones
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