Mike, the answer is no (think I said this before). However, that's one of the reasons I like reading old road tests (especially the more professional CarLife tests, like the ones I sent you a few months back). Not only you get their driving impressions and seat of the pants feeling (from people used to driving cars of the era) but also performance measurements. These measurements can be more meaningful than seat of the pants feel that one might have by driving somebody else's car. Of course, these are not always perfect. Back then, it took a while for engines to break in, and there is always a chance the comparisons were not fair. As a side note, the in the 67 test, they reported they could get the tires loose with ease (9.15x15 tires). With the 413 cars, the road testers often say they could not do that (8.20x15). D^2 At 12:01 PM 7/11/2002 -0500, you wrote: >We're getting a little theoretical again.....what I'd like to know is, >Square D, have you ever driven a 413-powered car? If not, what are we >arguing about? > >Mike Trettin >1956 Imperial Sedan, Turquoise