My very politically incorrect answer about Imperials that come without seatbelts: The 1960 Imperials that I love so came without seatbelts. I find driving without belts to be a guilty pleasure. With a car of this size, I find the lap belts to be the most that I would do were I to install belts, and have not made a decision on the current car that I am about to revive. In 1996 my 71 Lincoln Cont. MkIII and I were car #5 in a 5 car chain collision, and the Honda that I hit had crumple zones that worked as advertised. My lap belt held me and I felt very little in the way of strain as my car plowed into the other. I didn't even come close to being pushed into the steering wheel, despite a good solid front end hit. I had a surge of panic as I walked up the line and saw what my car had done to the civic. His car was measured by the CHP as 11" shorter than stock and was a total loss, having been driven under the car in front of him. I replaced the bumper and bumper brackets, did some minor bondo work, and paid $200 for a cheapie paint job. The point: I am counting on the rest of the population of cars that I might hit to be softer, lighter, and far enough down my hood to be less of a threat to me than I am to them. I think that Lap belts are enough for me. I am counting on my own common driving sense to keep myself away from trees and buildings that do not yeild, tempting fate as that may seem to be as I write it. This is a decision that lacks some common sense based on what our society has been screaming at us regarding safety and seatbelts, and I am dead certain that I am exposing myself to risk by driving with only lap belts or no belts at all, but it is one that I have personally accepted based on my personal conservative driving habits when in "winged victory". I have a sports car and motorcycle for aggressive driving, and know my place when in the '60 or '73. Bring on the alternate viewpoints. By the way, I had a '63 that had seatbelts installed, probably by the dealer, and they were aluminum topped airline type jobs that you lift the latch on to release, and I liked them very much more from an aesthetic & functional viewpoint. they were unusual and just seemed to fit the car by being out of the ordinary and nice in their tactile feel and operation. Much better than those infernal button-release things that all other cars seem to have. ===== Kenyon Wills 6o LeBaron - America's Most Carefully Built Car 73 LeBaron - Long Low & Luxurious __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com