It's possible, because Engel was at Mercury for awhile, I believe. I would have to check, but I think he was. And usually they are designing cars 2-3 years out-- at least they were at that time. So it's possible that the design for the '64 was already done by the time Engel left in '60 or '61 (again, sorry, I can't remember the exact dates he left). Even if he did not do it himself the designers may have followed the concept that he established. I seem to recall that someone on this list said that even the designs of the '66 & '67 Lincoln were based on sketches Engel did before he left. Don't know if this is true. OK, and to keep this IMPERIAL . . . you can see evidence of the '67 & '68 Imperial in a design exercise Engel did at Ford called the X65, particularly in the rear with the "slab sided" fenders that extend beyond the bumper. Many have said that the '64-'66 Imperial was originally intended to be the next Lincoln (after the design that debuted in '61 ran its course), but in the article I mentioned a few days ago another designer said that the design of the '64-'66 Imperial was not a Lincoln, but another concept car or design exercise Engel did at Ford. (The design for the '61 Lincoln, BTW, was originally going to be a Thunderbird.) This is running longer than I intended, but I guess it's partially a matter of economics that Engel's ideas persisted at Ford & Mercury even though he was gone. Once they have commited a large amount of time & money in the design effort, and the engineering effort, they don't want to change a design just because the original creator is gone-- it would just be too costly. So I guess his influence carried over for at least 3 years . . . maybe more? Okay, LAST THING. What surprises me is that I don't see Engel's influence persisting at Chrysler for so long after he left . . . or maybe I'm just not recognizing it. Mark MM Dick Bachman wrote: > I just returned from a car show in Idaho, and there was a 64 Merc, that > looked very much like a 66 chrysler,........was the Elwood influence > at Ford that long? > > dick & jeanette > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >