Series II Jag XJ's have a very similar motor size - biggest difference being that they have the 90o gear drive which one hacks off (very roughly of course) and they fit just fine - Over here in NZ there 1.3 billion jags so these motors aren't a problem - they're delco ones, but don't know many other applications - I'm looking into silly little Japanese things at the moment - but the Jag ones apart from the cutting off the top, are pretty much bolt in... >From: kenyon wills <imperialist60@xxxxxxxxx> >Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: IML: 1960 Window Lift-Motor/Otis & rebuilding. >Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:13:11 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > The lift motors are available too,I can get 'em from the > > place where I work > > for about $40(employee purchase)plus core. Cardone > > rebuilds 'em. I am not > > sure if the early-mid '60's motors resemble the '70's > > motors. I don't know > > the years of interchangeability. Does anyone? > > > >The 1970's units appear in pictures to have the gears and a >small 90 degree transmission assembly integral to them. > >The early 1960's units come in 2 sizes for the motor body, >but are interchangeable due to identical diameter bodies. >They are motors that look like they belong in the head of a >milkshake machine at the soda fountain, and are a smaller >version of the unit that drives the 6-way seat in these >cars. > >The larger (slightly longer body with rubberized covering) >motor has removable bolts and is supposedly rebuildable, >but I did not locate anyone interested in performing this >despite asking about 5 electric motor places. The smaller >one is not clad in black rubber and has rivet-like bolts >that would need to be ground off to be dismantled. I wager >that the rubber covered versions (came on post 1960 cars, I >think) were an attempt to fix/amend without redesigning. > >Both units clamp into a stamped, molded metal bracket >recepticle, and have a pencil-sized chrome driveshaft that >has a flat on one side. There is a thick rubber >"driveshaft" about an inch long that fits between the motor >and the input shaft of the window mechanism that the motor >is to drive. The rubber of the driveshaft allows the thing >to come to a sold stop while absorbing the torsion of the >motor in a non-rigid way, sparing the metal gearing in the >window mechanism when the window hits the full-up or full >down stop positions. > >They are in a position in the door such that water dripping >down the window in rain or car washes comes to reside in >and on the motor, rusting the bearings solid in short time, >especially when sitting outside, even with the windows >closed. > >These are one of the 1960's achilles heels, and most parts >sources are consistently picked clean of these - indicating >that they are a weak point on others' cars too. Lowell is >getting $75 or more for each of them, and bless his heart, >the man has a real knack for knowing what's valuable and >what isn't, then making certain that you know too. > >If your shop is interested in looking at rebuilding some, I >wager that you could get $35 each easy and $50 medium, >maybe more. The parts that go bad are the bushing-bearings >and the shaft that they ride on. The rest seems to cleanup >OK, but that is not my bag and a motor person might see >otherwise. > >I volunteer some of my toasted motors and financing to you >if you think that you have a path to fix them. Might turn >out to be a good source of beer money for your place of >employ. > >Boo-hoo - I just don't think that these are available >rebuilt, and I have to use crummy old sed ones that differ >in speed and efficiency. > >Please let me know if you can help or know otherwise. (I >was also thinking about appropriating a motor from another >application, but am not at that point in the car project yet). > >===== >Kenyon Wills >6o LeBaron - America's Most Carefully Built Car >73 LeBaron - Long Low & Luxurious > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® >http://movies.yahoo.com/ > >