Re: IML: 60 starter heat saturation

[randalpark@xxxxxxx]

1961 came with the same starter as 1960.

Paul W.

-----Original Message-----
From: jdlpdx@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: IML: 60  starter heat saturation

Hi Rob, 
 
The white '61 out at the "Rust Farm" still has its starter (I think). I 
was going to check on it yesterday but ran out of time. It worked 14 
years ago which I know is a long time but the one in my '60 sat for 12 
and it works fine. If you are interested I'll be sure to add it to my 
list for the next trip out. I'm pretty sure the '61 used the AutoLight 
starter that the '60 uses. I know it isn't the Chrysler gear reduction 
starter. 
 
Contact me off list at jdlpdx@xxxxxxxxxxx if inerested, 
 
Jim L. in OR 
----- Original Message ----- From: <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Cc: "Rob van der Es" <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:39 PM 
Subject: Re: IML: 60 starter heat saturation 
 
HI Rob....hopefully you have found a source for the starter for your 
'60 Imperial....but if not, I would think that your friend on the East 
Coast (NY area) could just as easily check for its availability through 
the NAPA stores and it certainly would be lots cheaper shipping from 
the East Coast than from out here in CAlifonria..!!...I read your 
comments about the website I sent you and that the photo looks 
different from your own starter. If the source was a pplace I could go 
to and actually LOOK at the starter I could possibly comapre it to some 
photo's you could send me and that way be sure it at least LOOKS LIKE 
your own starter.....however, trying to send something as heavy as a 
starter thru the mail to myself, checking it against any photo's you 
could send me, and then maybe !!!???? having to send it back to the 
company as 'wrong model' wouold kind of expensive.....It may be easier 
(if not any cheaper) to see if Kenyon has one up at Doc Bullock's yard 
and then can get it rebuilt for you or possibly send it off for a 
rebuild to someplace he knows of!....if your friend in NY has a good 
place that will rebuild a starter, maybe Kenyon can ship it to your 
friend and the rebuild can be done on the East coast???....sorry I 
can't be of more help....I know how helpless it feels to not be able to 
get something done and be running in circles!!!....I do wish you the 
best of luck.....there are NO '60 Imperials anywhere near me that I 
know of but I will keep my ears & eye's open and let you know if I come 
across one!!!! 
Good Luck 
Dan Melnik 
 
---- Rob van der Es <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
 
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Hi Dan, 
 
Too bad that you don't have had any luck with your local stores in 
finding 
me a correct starter. I think we might have to concentrate on salvage 
yards 
to see if we can locate a good rebuild candidate. Are there any salvage 
yards in your neighborhood that have a 59-61 Chrysler New Yorker or an 
Imperial from that area? 
I will look around if I can locate a good starter somewhere that can be 
rebuild in the States, a friend of mine lives in New York you see. 
He also owns a 1960 Imperial (a formal black Crown), and maybe he knows 
a 
parts car in his neighborhood. 
 
But I still keeps my fingers crossed that you might find me one! 
 
Thanks a lot so far and enjoy your weekend ! 
 
Best Regards from the Netherlands, 
 
Robert 
----- Original Message ----- From: <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Cc: "Rob van der Es" <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:47 PM 
Subject: Re: IML: 60 starter heat saturation 
 
Hi Robert!...well, none of the places I checked with have your starter! 
I 
also had the NAPA store near me (that handles LOTS of parts for 
Collector/Vintage cars) check all their sources but the ONLY thing they 
can 
offer is a rebuilding service that wouold cost about $180.00 US...of 
course, 
there is still the shipping cost as well. For that reason, if there is 
a IML 
member that is on the EAST Coast I would think that it would be lots 
less in 
shipping costs if you had to have YOUR starter rebuilt. I even asked 
about a 
'rebuild' kit for that starter in case you had some place nearby that 
could 
do the 'rebuild' if they had the right parts....but, no luck there 
either!...as heavy as those starter's are, I would think that shipping 
it 
all the way here to California for 'rebuilding' would be quite 
expensive 
(since it would also have to get shipped BACK to you!)...I will keep on 
looking but if you can find a source for getting a starter from another 
IML 
member, by all means follow-up on it and just let me know.....! 
Let you know later if I can find anything for you via the Internet! 
Dan Melnik 
 
---- Rob van der Es <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
 
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Great Tom!, 
 
Dan Melnik of the IML is trying to get me a rebuild starter for my 60, 
but 
if he didn't have any luck with it I hope I can get back to you and 
work out 
some deal. 
 
That is what this list is all about: such a great place to meet people 
that 
want to help each other in keeping those Imps on the road! 
 
Thanks a lot guys, 
 
Robert 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Scott" <shelbyguy@xxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:08 PM 
Subject: Re: IML: 60 starter heat saturation 
 
> Hi Robert and Kenyon, 
> I believe your advice about having the replacement starter rebuilt is 
> sound. I've talked to a few car buddies here and there is a shop real 
> close who supposedly does real good work on old motors, generators 
and the 
> like. I'll probably end up having both rebuilt...just in case. 
> Robert, I'll let you know what they do and how much it costs after I 
speak 
> to them. Maybe we can work something out to get you a rebuilt starter 
> after I have a spare. 
> Thanx again guys...and Kenyon, I wish it was only the Imperial that 
had 
> those sagging parts!!! 
> Tom 
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob van der Es" 
<r.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:25 AM 
> Subject: Re: IML: 60 starter heat saturation 
>  
>  
> > Hi Tom, 
> >  
> > I thought that I was the Dutchman here on the IML, LOL !! 
> >  
> > Btw, I have exactly the same problems with my 1960 starter as you 
> > described. 
> > Everytime the engine is hot after a long run and I have to re-start 
it, I 
> > am sending out a special prayer to the Imperial Gods. 
> > So far this worked for me, but I am sure that I am walking on thin 
ice 
> > here.. 
> > So I am looking for a good core to rebuild, you see here in my 
country no 
> > one can do a rebuild of such a starter, because of the lack of spare 
> > parts. 
> > So I have to find me a good core that can be rebuild in your 
country. 
> > As far as my knowledge goes I can use a 59 till 61 starter from 
either a 
> > Chrysler New Yorker or an Imperial from that area. 
> >  
> > I fully agree with Kenyon that you better have that starter rebuild 
(the 
> > one that Bob send you) before putting it in your car. That way you 
avoid 
> > that you are forced to a rebuild later on. After all these parts are 
> > allmost 50 years old, so a rebuild wouldn't hurt. 
> >  
> > Question to anyone on the list: what usually is included with a 
rebuild 
> > of 
> > this kind of starter motors? The solenoid, brushes, bearings ? 
> >  
> > Thanks, 
> >  
> > Robert 
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> > Op Do, 26 april, 2007 5:58 am, schreef Kenyon Wills: 
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> >  
> > > --- Tom Scott <shelbyguy@xxxxxxx> wrote: 
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> > > Does it need 
> > >  
> > > > to be rebuilt or should I just concentrate on the solenoid. All 
> > > > responses are welcome, even those that make me look/feel like an 
idiot 
> > > > Thanks 
> > > > Tom 
> > > > 60 4dr Crown Southampton 
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> > > They just wear and get loosey. All of the later cars 
> > > need starters when I get them, and I have 2 spares on hand for when 
I 
> > > aquire new vehicles just in case, since I buy them and sell them 
from 
> > > time 
> > > to time to fund the others that are keepers. 
> > >  
> > > The '60 starter is somewhat rare, so hanging onto your 
> > > cores and rebuilding them will be a prudent move. I encourage you 
to 
> > > rebuild one of them rather than running used. I'd probably just 
rebuild 
> > > Bob's and do 
> > > the install once, since a rebuild usually only takes a few days and 
> > > really 
> > > isn't that much money compared to other adventures to be had under 
the 
> > > hood. Not doubting Bob's product here, mind you, but used is used 
and 
> > > rebuilt is rebuilt... 
> > >  
> > > You'll be surprised at how much more efficient a 
> > > redone unit is, and how much satisfaction you'll get each time you 
hear 
> > > it 
> > > spinning hard and fast in comparison to what you put up with 
before, but 
> > > that sorta goes for each sagging part that you do yourself, doesn't 
it? 
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