Re: IML: 60 starter heat saturation
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Re: IML: 60 starter heat saturation

Hi Rob,
The white '61 out at the "Rust Farm" still has its starter (I think). I was going to check on it yesterday but ran out of time. It worked 14 years ago which I know is a long time but the one in my '60 sat for 12 and it works fine. If you are interested I'll be sure to add it to my list for the next trip out. I'm pretty sure the '61 used the AutoLight starter that the '60 uses. I know it isn't the Chrysler gear reduction starter. 

Contact me off list at jdlpdx@xxxxxxxxxxx if inerested,

Jim L. in OR
----- Original Message ----- From: <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Cc: "Rob van der Es" <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 60 starter heat saturation
HI Rob....hopefully you have found a source for the starter for your '60 Imperial....but if not, I would think that your friend on the East Coast (NY area) could just as easily check for its availability through the NAPA stores and it certainly would be lots cheaper shipping from the East Coast than from out here in CAlifonria..!!...I read your comments about the website I sent you and that the photo looks different from your own starter. If the source was a pplace I could go to and actually LOOK at the starter I could possibly comapre it to some photo's you could send me and that way be sure it at least LOOKS LIKE your own starter.....however, trying to send something as heavy as a starter thru the mail to myself, checking it against any photo's you could send me, and then maybe !!!???? having to send it back to the company as 'wrong model' wouold kind of expensive.....It may be easier (if not any cheaper) to see if Kenyon has one up at Doc Bullock's yard and then can get it rebuilt for you or possibly send it off for a rebuild to someplace he knows of!....if your friend in NY has a good place that will rebuild a starter, maybe Kenyon can ship it to your friend and the rebuild can be done on the East coast???....sorry I can't be of more help....I know how helpless it feels to not be able to get something done and be running in circles!!!....I do wish you the best of luck.....there are NO '60 Imperials anywhere near me that I know of but I will keep my ears & eye's open and let you know if I come across one!!!! 
Good Luck
Dan Melnik

---- Rob van der Es <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Hi Dan,

Too bad that you don't have had any luck with your local stores in finding
me a correct starter. I think we might have to concentrate on salvage yards
to see if we can locate a good rebuild candidate. Are there any salvage
yards in your neighborhood that have a 59-61 Chrysler New Yorker or an
Imperial from that area?
I will look around if I can locate a good starter somewhere that can be
rebuild in the States, a friend of mine lives in New York you see.
He also owns a 1960 Imperial (a formal black Crown), and maybe he knows a
parts car in his neighborhood.

But I still keeps my fingers crossed that you might find me one!

Thanks a lot so far and enjoy your weekend !

Best Regards from the Netherlands,

Robert
----- Original Message ----- From: <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Cc: "Rob van der Es" <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 60 starter heat saturation


Hi Robert!...well, none of the places I checked with have your starter! I
also had the NAPA store near me (that handles LOTS of parts for
Collector/Vintage cars) check all their sources but the ONLY thing they can
offer is a rebuilding service that wouold cost about $180.00 US...of course,
there is still the shipping cost as well. For that reason, if there is a IML
member that is on the EAST Coast I would think that it would be lots less in
shipping costs if you had to have YOUR starter rebuilt. I even asked about a
'rebuild' kit for that starter in case you had some place nearby that could
do the 'rebuild' if they had the right parts....but, no luck there
either!...as heavy as those starter's are, I would think that shipping it
all the way here to California for 'rebuilding' would be quite expensive
(since it would also have to get shipped BACK to you!)...I will keep on
looking but if you can find a source for getting a starter from another IML
member, by all means follow-up on it and just let me know.....!
Let you know later if I can find anything for you via the Internet!
Dan Melnik


---- Rob van der Es <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Great Tom!,

Dan Melnik of the IML is trying to get me a rebuild starter for my 60, but
if he didn't have any luck with it I hope I can get back to you and work out
some deal.

That is what this list is all about: such a great place to meet people that
want to help each other in keeping those Imps on the road!

Thanks a lot guys,

Robert
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Scott" <shelbyguy@xxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 60 starter heat saturation



Hi Robert and Kenyon,
I believe your advice about having the replacement starter rebuilt is
sound. I've talked to a few car buddies here and there is a shop real
close who supposedly does real good work on old motors, generators and the
like.  I'll probably end up having both rebuilt...just in case.
Robert, I'll let you know what they do and how much it costs after I speak
to them.  Maybe we can work something out to get you a rebuilt starter
after I have a spare.
Thanx again guys...and Kenyon, I wish it was only the Imperial that had
those sagging parts!!!
Tom
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob van der Es" <r.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: IML: 60 starter heat saturation



Hi Tom,

I thought that I was the Dutchman here on the IML, LOL !!

Btw, I have exactly the same problems with my 1960 starter as you
described.
Everytime the engine is hot after a long run and I have to re-start it, I
am sending out a special prayer to the Imperial Gods.
So far this worked for me, but I am sure that I am walking on thin ice
here..
So I am looking for a good core to rebuild, you see here in my country no
one can do a rebuild of such a starter, because of the lack of spare
parts.
So I have to find me a good core that can be rebuild in your country.
As far as my knowledge goes I can use a 59 till 61 starter from either a
Chrysler New Yorker or an Imperial from that area.

I fully agree with Kenyon that you better have that starter rebuild (the
one that Bob send you) before putting it in your car. That way you avoid
that you are forced to a rebuild later on. After all these parts are
allmost 50 years old, so a rebuild wouldn't hurt.

Question to anyone on the list: what usually is included with a rebuild
of
this kind of starter motors? The solenoid, brushes, bearings ?

Thanks,

Robert






Op Do, 26 april, 2007 5:58 am, schreef Kenyon Wills:





--- Tom Scott <shelbyguy@xxxxxxx> wrote:


Does it need


to be rebuilt or should I just concentrate on the solenoid.  All
responses are welcome, even those that make me look/feel like an idiot
Thanks
Tom
60 4dr Crown Southampton






They just wear and get loosey.  All of the later cars
need starters when I get them, and I have 2 spares on hand for when I
aquire new vehicles just in case, since I buy them and sell them from
time
to time to fund the others that are keepers.

The '60 starter is somewhat rare, so hanging onto your
cores and rebuilding them will be a prudent move.  I encourage you to
rebuild one of them rather than running used.  I'd probably just rebuild
Bob's and do
the install once, since a rebuild usually only takes a few days and
really
isn't that much money compared to other adventures to be had under the
hood.  Not doubting Bob's product here, mind you, but used is used  and
rebuilt is rebuilt...

You'll be surprised at how much more efficient a
redone unit is, and how much satisfaction you'll get each time you hear
it
spinning hard and fast in comparison to what you put up with before, but
that sorta goes for each sagging part that you do yourself, doesn't it?

Kenyon Wills
























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