Fwd: IML: 413 vs 440 in a 64 Crown/65 LeBaron

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Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:08:54 -0400

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Subject: Re: IML: 413 vs 440 in a 64 Crown/65 LeBaron

When building the enigine, it's important to get the right cam. I got mine from Mopar Peformance. It's a low lift short duration "RV/Competition" cam. This will give you nice low end torque. I also used Keith Black .020 over hypereutectic pistons, not extremely easy to find, but Summit Racing probably has 'em. As long as you got the right components, you'll get the right results.? ? Finding the right machine shop is of paramount importance. I found a great one here in southern California, Evans Speed Shop in El Monte. They're pricey, but do great work. Besides, machine work is not something you can just redo. Once it's done right, you shouldn't have to worry about it for a hundred thousand miles. Don't forget to have the valve seats hardened to allow you to use unleaded gas with no worries.? ? In essence, a low lift cam is the way to go for bottom end power. Whatever cam you use, you have to find an intake manifold to match it well, and of course, a carb to match. I used a rebuilt Carter, I think it's 650CFM, but you can probably go a little higher, I think I might go up to 750CFM.? ? Ultimately, take your time building it, be VERY detail oriented, and you should get a sound engine that'll get you up to 65 in a hurry for a long time.? ? Good Luck. If you like, you can ask me off list any other questions.? ? John.? commenace@xxxxxxxxxxxx? ? -----Original Message-----? From: bom tie <bomtie@xxxxxxxxxx>? To: commenace@xxxxxxxxxxxx? Sent: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:56:38 -0400 (EDT)? Subject: Re: IML: 413 vs 440 in a 64 Crown/65 LeBaron? ? ? John,? I am a gearhead want-to-be. Please tell me what "specs" you built to. That? sounds like what I really want. I have put the elderbrock performer cam, intake,? and carb with HO 440 heads on my 413 block, but I have never gotten it "right".? I did not rebuilt the low end so the 440 block is very doable.? Thanks,? Charles Major? ? --- On Thu 10/06, < commenace@xxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:? From: [mailto: commenace@xxxxxxxxxxxx]? To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx? Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:14:02 -0400? Subject: Re: IML: 413 vs 440 in a 64 Crown/65 LeBaron? ? I pulled my spent 413 and found a 440 with a steel crank, rebuilt it to my? specs (all low end torque, 9.5 compression), and I love it. Only the most? learned gearhead can tell it's a 440 by the stamping on the top of the? block. I know the purists will think me foolish, but I like driving my car,? and I like driveablitly. I know they'll say a 413 will perform just as well? as a 440. Perhaps, but not a 440 built to my specs. It's not a hot rod? engine, but when I want to pass someone, I feel justified in what I? did. Just my two cents (that's about what it's worth!) John in? LA (and yes that IS in Los Angeles) -----Original? Message----- From: pnkmoore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent:? Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:10:04 -0500 Subject: Re: IML: 413 vs 440 in a 64? Crown It's hardly my business to say it Mark, but I may be with Pete? in PA on this one. If the 440 ain't broke, why fix it? I can? undertand if you're a purist because I can be that way too, but I'd give? myself a break in that regard before I'd trade out a motor. I think the 440s? are wonderful engines.? ? Patrick in LA (and no, that's not Los? Angeles)? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Engel"? <peter.engel@xxxxxxxxxxx>? To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>? ? Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:39 PM? Subject: Re: IML: 413 vs 440 in a? 64 Crown? ? There is no difference in external dimensions between a 413? and a 440. If? the guy who installed the 440 used all the 413 manifolds,? oil pan,? accessories, brackets, etc. then your swap back to a 413 will be? a breeze.? ? If, OTOH, the 440 was installed used all the manifolds,? etc. from the 440? and it was a much later engine then you will have? some heartburn.? ? Why bother removing the 440 to put in a 413? The? engines look identical? from the outside. Is the? 440 shot and you'd rather have a 413 under the? hood? Is the 440 a late? production, low compression engine?? ? Pete in PA? ? ? Date:? Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:27:09 -0600? From: Mark and Theresa Elliott? <deadfishe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>? Subject: IML: 413 vs 440 in a 64 crown? ? Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx? Hey all you mechanical? experts,? ? What would one need to do to change out the 413 in a 64 Crown? to a? 440? What things would need to change/be replaced etc. I am not? asking? this because I am contemplating doing it, on the contrary, I am? thinking? about undoing it. A previous owner did this to my car, and I? am wondering? what it would take to undo this and put a 413 back in.? Would I need to? replace all my accessories like the alternator, AC? compressor, starter? etc? How about the radiator? Would it just be a matter? of pulling out the? 440 and dropping in the 413, or would I need new? motor mounts (I may need? them anyway). How about the transmission,? would anything need to be? changed there?? ? Thanks for your? input,? ? Mark Elliott? 64 Crown 4 door (currently with a 440 under? the hood)? ? ? ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com? -----------------? This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing? List. Please? reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will? be? shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the? ? Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx? To? UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm? ? ? ? ? ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com -----------------? This? message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to? mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with? everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the? 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