Re: IML: So? ?Slipping ring gear?

[RandalPark@xxxxxxx]

Although I can't say that I have ever heard what this sounds like, I truly think that if the ring gear was slipping, it would make a very different sound (and probably other things too) then a "whir" of the starter.

Paul W.

In an email dated 5/8/2005 5:18:06 am GMT Daylight time, Mark Pappas <lillyvine@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

>Hi list: ?Yes thats a good point Bill.. If the ring gear was replaced
>and not the complete fly wheel . It might just spin and not turn the
>flywheel . Perhaps it may work proper when the outside temperature is
>low and not on ?a warm day..
>On Aug 4, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
>> ?
>> Phone the place that installed your transmission and ask them which
>> year(s) the ring gear/torque converter they installed fits.??
>> ?
>> ?
>> Bill
>> Vancouver, BC
>> ?
>> ?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joe
>> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cc: Michael O. Mann
>> Sent:Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:25 AM
>> Subject:RE: IML: So? Anyone know where to find a starter?
>>
>> Michael:
>> ?
>> No worries, thanks for the feedback.
>> ?
>> Originally, before I got the car, the starter relay was replaced.?
>> After that, I never had trouble with the starter until the
>> transmission was rebuilt back in February.? After that point, I
>> noticed that the starter would occasionally "slip."? Never thought
>> much about it because it always caught.
>> ?
>> Then, within the past two or three months, the following symptoms
>> would be revealed over time:
>> 1)? The starter would whir but not engage the flywheel;
>> 2)? The stater would whir, not engage the flywheel, but when I let up
>> on the key, there would be a "thunk!"? Usually, the car would start on
>> the next key try;
>> 3)? The starter would whir, catch the flywheel, then whir again;
>> 4)? Lastly, the starter would engage the flywheel right off (not
>> necessarily after any of the above attempts.? There have been times
>> when I got in the Beast and she started right off.? Of course, talking
>> sweetly and patting her on the dash seemed to help).
>> ?
>> Eventually, though, the starter wouldn't engage the flywheel at all
>> (which is where I am now).
>> ?
>> With those symptoms, reviewing the FSM, and asking for advice from the
>> club members, I removed the starter, replaced the solenoid, lubricated
>> the starter mechanisms as the FSM shows, and replaced the starter.
>> ?
>> The same symptoms are evident.
>> ?
>> When I removed the starter, the two connecting bolts wheredamntight.?
>> I have the skinned knuckles to show for it.? When I replaced the
>> starter, I tightened the bolts as much as my strength would allow
>> though I could not use a torque wrench on them.? The wire connections
>> to the solenoid are clean & tight and the wires themselves appear to
>> be in good condition though I have not replaced them.
>> ?
>> The starter motor that I had that I wanted to replace the existing
>> starter motor with is the same size but the mouting holes are
>> different.? The Imperial starter has two mounting holes and orients
>> the solenoid on the top and slightly to the driver's side (think:?
>> Orbiter mounted on the fuel tank performing its "roll right" maneuver
>> during lift off sans the solid rocket boosters)?whilst the other
>> starter had three mounting holes and they were in a different
>> configuration such that if mounted properly, the solenoid would be
>> oriented in a completely different direction -- more toward the enging
>> block itself.? So, I couldn't install that starter.
>> ?
>> I did NOT bench test the replacement starter the new solenoid, nor the
>> old starter.
>> ?
>> Thus, I am off to the starter shop today, well, when I get the dern
>> thing off again.
>> ?
>> Thanks again for the suggestions!
>> ?
>> --
>> Joe
>> Allen, Texas
>> '61 4D Crown Southampton
>> http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1961/JoeStill/index.htm
>> ?
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>
>> Joe,
>> ?
>> Sorry if I'm coming in too late on this, but....
>> ?
>> Can you tell if the whole starter is spinning but not engaging?? Could
>> be the solenoid, but it could be that the starter is just not quite
>> correctly seated.? I let the dust cover get in the way once on my 68
>> Imperial, and spent a couple of hours trying to decide why?my known
>> good starter wouldn't work.? Was it good and tight when you removed
>> it?? Did it fail all at once, or did it gradually get worse and worse?
>> ?
>> Did the Chrysler starter not fit, or did it just vary in appearance??
>> I don't know the earlier cars, but I know from my smaller MOPARs that
>> starters from a 440 Imperial fit a 340 Barracuda, a 318 Valiant, or a
>> slant six Dart.? Some variation in size, but they fit.? Even the newer
>> lightweight Mitsubishi starters on the Dakota pickups interchange.
>> ?
>> And if you do have to replace your starter, you will probably find
>> that a local automotive electrical shop can rebuild yours and give you
>> a better product than an off-the-shelf starter for similar or less
>> expense.? I've had poor work done, but usually it's a good way to go,
>> especially if you keep it as original as possible.
>> ?
>> Good luck; let us know what you find.
>> ?
>> Michael
>


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