Bill, The photo you linked to shows exactly how Chrysler VIN plates were stamped and attached through the 1965 model year. I don't know when this method was first used though. I don't understand why they did it, but the plate and the a-pillar were drilled for rivets without rivets being installed (until 1966). The factory spot welding is often sloppy (position-wise) and, being done after the bodies were painted, not very good (longevity-wise). I have seen several pre-66 Mopars that were missing VIN plates and many more with one bad weld (allowing one end of the plate to lift from the a-pillar). The format of the pre-66 plates is another story. Notice that a pre-65 plate has only 10 characters and makes no mention of the engine size and the body style/trim level info is kind of lame. The pre-66 plates were stamped in advance with only model year, assembly plant, and sequence number embossed clearly on the plate. When it was time for the plate to be installed on a vehicle the first two characters were hand stamped onto the plate. These two characters defined the carline and the trim level. I'm more familiar with C-bodies and a Dodge Polara would be hand stamped D1 while the Custom 880 would be D2 and the top-level Monaco D4. There was no VIN plate distinction for coupe, sedan, hardtop, or convertible but Polara wagons were D5 and Cutom 880 wagons D7. A similar arrangement existed for Chryslers, Plymouths, and Imperials. For 66 the VIN plate changed a lot. Three additional characters were used bringing the total to 13 and the plate WAS riveted to the a-pillar. The carline, series, AND body style were designated in addition to the engine displacement. Also, the entire VIN was embossed clearly onto the plate. As an example, my 70 LeBaron 4DHT with the VIN YM43T0C105293 decodes as Imperial (Y); medium price class LeBaron (M); four doors (4); hardtop body (3); 440 cid engine (T); 1970 model year (0); assembly plant Jefferson Avenue (C); sequence number (105293). So the 62 Imperial you saw has an entirely normal VIN plate. Pete in PA Subject: IML: 1962 VIN plate question (factory or modified) From: "" <billwhite55@xxxxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 19:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I photographed a VIN plate attached to a '62 Imperial Lebaron. The plate placement was in the correct location, but it was spot welded and first two numbers were over stamped (93). Is this how the VIN plates were made in '62. The photo can be found at http://www.geocities.com/imperial19551955/ Bill White '55 & '59 (and someday a '62) Imperial. ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm