As I have an 82 any and all starting problems interest me. Are the starting problems just with the cars that haven't been converted?? Dads 82 Lawrence R Noska lnoska@xxxxxxxxxxxx Hauser, ID 83854 -----Original Message----- From: mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Rob P Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:13 PM To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: IML: My new '82 OK, this is my third attempt at a thank you and update, but I got bumped because of a spam attack on this hotmail account. Thanks Dick, Joel, Dave Grove and everybody for the tips. My car doesn't even momentarily start. It just cranks. It will usually start within 2 or 3 attempts, but the other night it took a solid 10 minutes. Maybe 25-30 tries. That time when it fired up it smelled rich. Sometimes it smells like fuel, but when I took the air cleaner off it seemed dry. The air cleaner seal/gaskets, etc. seem good. Once the car is started it has never (knock wood) stalled and seems to run fine. I don't know if it's a characteristic of these cars, but the car only cranks a few times before it stops. It won't keep cranking and cranking as long as you have to key turned to start. The car is stone stock with an alleged 41,000 miles, except for one scary reciept which states "3 hours convert to external fuel supply" I assume they ditched the in tank fuel pump. I have started to cycle the key on-off a few times before I try to start it and it *seems* better, but it still will not start on the first try. I can hear the buzzing of the pump, but it generally seems to be from the rear. My helper said they heard the under hood pump, but I couldn't. It seems like the fuel line isn't primed or it isn't getting a starter shot of fuel. I'll guess I'll try to dribble some gas down the air cleaner next time. Dick B. if you ever write the book on these, let me know, I'd like a copy. I read the collected e-mails before I bought my '83, but that one is converted so I managed to forget most of the EFI info. I'd llike to solve this so that I can move on to my other problems, like the dented front end, JB Welded radiator and "chunky style" coolant. I drove it to work today so I hope I'm getting home. Thanks again, Rob _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page - FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/