IML : Autolite : Was Why G.M Parts are unnecessary.

["Don Nonnweiler" <dnonnwei@xxxxxxxxx>]

I just got off the phone with my bosses at Chrysler before I retired and
they insist that Chrysler owns a percentage of both Dana and Spicer, how
much they weren't quite sure.  I tend to believe my old bosses at Chrysler
since I've known them for over 30 year, so take it anyway you want but thats
all I'm going to say.
Bye
Have a Merry Christmas
Don
59 Crown
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Watson" <wwatson@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: IML: IML : Autolite : Was Why G.M Parts are unnecessary.


>
> Sorry, but the Dana Corporation is not now, and never has been, owned by
> Chrysler.
>
> The firm began in 1903 with one Clarence Spicer, who designed the
> cross-style u-joint.  His designs became the standard for auto
manufacturers
> and the Spicer Corporation grew along with the acceptance of the Spicer
> u-joint.
>
> In 1914 Spicer Corporation was in financial trouble, trying to expand
> capacity to meet demand but not having the financial foundation to
proceed.
> Along came one Charles Dana, who liked what he saw and had the cash to
> invest to expand the firm.
>
> Mr. Spicer died in 1939, and Mr. Dana continued to run the firm into the
> 1950's.  In response to Mr.Dana's efforts, the Spicer Corporation became
the
> Dana Corporation in 1945.  Over the years the firm took over such firms as
> Perfect Circle (manufacturers of Chrysler's Auto Pilot), Victor Gaskets,
> Auburn Clutch, and Rzeppa (constant velocity joints).
>
> Dana was like any other parts supplier.  They would work with their
clients
> to produce the needed products, even if they had to get their hands dirty
in
> the design process.   Chrysler's Sure-Grip was actually a Dana design -
> Powr-Lok.   Dana also made the unit (Twin-Traction) for Packard and
> Studebaker.
>
> For more details visit :
>
> http://www.dana.com   and   http://www.spicerdriveshaft.com
>
>
> Bill
> Vancouver, BC
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Nonnweiler" <dnonnwei@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:18 AM
> Subject: Re: IML: IML : Autolite : Was Why G.M Parts are unnecessary.
>
>
> > But when it comes to dana and spicer they do own them as they developed
> them
> > in World war II for the 4x4 and 6x6, that I also looked up ,but from
> working
> > for Chrysler I know that go to any Dodge dealership and ask the parts
> > manager
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Watson" <wwatson@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:15 AM
> > Subject: IML: IML : Autolite : Was Why G.M Parts are unnecessary.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Chrysler never owned Autolite, ever.  It was an independent company
> > > headquartered in Toledo, Ohio, prior to its purchase by Ford Motor
> Company
> > > around 1961, except for the time it was controlled by the Willys
> > Corporation
> > > (also of Toledo) in the late teens.   The decision to have Willys sell
> > > Autolite (or more correctly, Electric Auto-Lite) was made by one
Walter
> P.
> > > Chrysler when he headed the Willys reorganization team.  Willys also
> owned
> > > New Process Gear, which did become a Chrysler subsidiary in the
1930's.
> > >
> > > Autolite supplied auto electric parts to many manufacturers over the
> > years,
> > > such as Kaiser-Frazer, Packard, Studebaker, Hudson, Nash, Willys,
> Checker,
> > > Peerless, Reo, American Austin, American Bantam. Crosley, DeVaux,
> > Hupmobile,
> > > Durant, Star, Jordan, Moon, and, yes, Ford Motor Company.
> > >
> > > The purchase of Autolite by Ford marked Ford's entry into the auto
> > electric
> > > business, and Ford continued to use the Autolite name but was later
> forced
> > > to sell off the company.   The purchase by Ford also ended the use of
> > > Autolite products in non-Ford products until it was spun off.
Autolite
> is
> > > still in business, as we all know, while Ford uses the Motorcraft name
> now
> > > for its electrical products.
> > >
> > > By the way, the purchase of Autolite by Ford in the early 1960's had
two
> > > reactions.  One was Chrysler moving into the auto electric market,
> > producing
> > > their own alternators, starters and distributors.  The other was the
> sale
> > of
> > > Autolite's non-Ford business to Prestolite, which continued to market
> > > Autolite products under the Prestolite name to such manufacturers as
> > > Chrysler Canada, American Motors and Studebaker.   Prestolite is also
> > still
> > > in business and has merged with Leese-Neville, an early supplier of
auto
> > > alternators.
> > >
> > > General Motors used to sell its Delco line of electrics to many
> > > manufacturers, including Chrysler back in the 1920's.  But AC Delco is
> no
> > > longer owned by General Motors.
> > >
> > > Chrysler purchased carburetors (Stromberg, Carter, Holley), radiators
> > > (Fedders, McCord, Moline), brakes (Lougheed, Bendix, Kelsey-Hayes,
> Budd),
> > > clutches (Borg & Beck), steering (Ross, Monroe, Saginaw), u-joints
> > (Spicer),
> > > transmissions (Borg-Warner), axles (Dana) and other parts from a wide
> > range
> > > of manufacturers.   Spicer and Dana, for example, are not owned by
> > Chrysler
> > > and never have been.   But Chrysler was, and is, one of their many
> > > customers.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > Vancouver, BC
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Don Nonnweiler" <dnonnwei@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: IML: Why G.M Parts are unnecessary.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Chrysler owned autolite until the late 50's when they sold it to
Ford
> > > which
> > > > later turned part of the company into Motorcraft.  I it wasn't for
all
> > the
> > > > parts companies Chrysler owned or owns it might have gone under in
the
> > > 70's
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "A. Foster" <monkeypuzzle1@xxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:03 PM
> > > > Subject: IML: Why G.M Parts are unnecessary.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Doug;
> > > > >  Through the process of going through my engine rebuild I have
found
> > out
> > > > > that there is almost nothing that you cannot get for a 392 hemi,
its
> > > just
> > > > a
> > > > > question of where and how much. The whole idea behind putting a
G.M
> > > water
> > > > > pump on an early hemi, according to the hot rod crowd, is to save
on
> > > > weight.
> > > > > How this is accomplished, when you need to add an adapter plate to
> use
> > > it,
> > > > > is unknown and I figure that its a waste of time when there are
> > aluminum
> > > > > after market ones available that will bolt right on.
> > > > >  The true beauty of these older cars is that just about everything
> on
> > > them
> > > > > can be rebuilt and rebuild parts are available. Before I joined
this
> > > list
> > > > I
> > > > > didn't have a clue that you could rebuild the factory brake
boosters
> > and
> > > > yet
> > > > > the parts are available along with services to do the job for you.
> > > > >   One of the things that I have found easiest to get are
electrical
> > > parts.
> > > > > Why? Because Chrysler, at least on the earlier cars, bought them
> from
> > an
> > > > > outside supplier called "Autolite". Autolite supplied parts for
just
> > > about
> > > > > every auto manufacturer outside of G.M and Ford so there lots of
> after
> > > > > market replacements out there. The same goes with their
> carburettors.
> > In
> > > > the
> > > > > case of my car the Carter WCFB carburetor was also used by
> Oldsmobile,
> > > > > Buick, and Cadillac as far back as 1952 and at least until the AFB
> > came
> > > > out.
> > > > > If you are talking buying a complete NOS working carb you may have
a
> > > > problem
> > > > > but as long as you have a core it can be rebuilt.
> > > > >  There are people that have an enthusiesm for restoring early
> Chrysler
> > > > > products and there are more repro parts available all the time,
you
> > > would
> > > > > just need to join a club to find out about them Quite often it
> happens
> > > out
> > > > > of something as simple as needing a part for his project and
having
> > one
> > > > made
> > > > > when he can't find one, this is what Mr. Pittinaro did with the
> > > cornering
> > > > > lenses on his 67'. If there are guys making reproduction parts for
> > > > > Studebakers and Kaisers there will also be ones doing so for
> Chrysler
> > > > > products, you can bet on it.
> > > > > Best Regards
> > > > > Arran Foster
> > > > > 1954 Imperial Newport
> > > > > Needing A Left Side Taillight Bezel and other trim parts.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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