RE: Over heating
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RE: Over heating
- From: "Dennis C." <dennis.2914@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 20:17:07 +0000
Hello,
Just a couple of last comments:
I would not run without a thermostat, the engine needs to come up to
operating temperature. If you only drive in very warm weather it may
not be that much of an issue however you should be able to cool the
engine with a thermostat.
Not much advantage in going to a 160 degree stat. Once the engine
temperature is above the full-open temperature of the stat it does not
matter want range stat you have installed.
The high performance stat is worth the money and will give more water
flow.
I believe you said you have a big block radiator, is it the stock core
or has it bee recored? If it has been recored measure the vertical fins
per inch and compare it with a stock radiator.
As mentioned timing and fuel air ratio all play a part in engine
temperature
The chance if it being an internal problem with your engine is very
unlikely.
More flow beyond the design of the radiator is not always a good thing.
It will cause lower radiator hose problems if it does not have the wire
insert. Heat transfer relies on a turbulent flow, too high of a flow
rate can push the water through the tubes too fast.
If you are still having a heating problem try calling one of the many
companies that make and sell custom radiators. It is a real education
talking to a good tech guy who can help you determine the cause of your
problem.
Good Luck
Cory Rempel wrote:
>
>
>
> Well holy crap guys, you sure do have allot of info to give. Some of it
> was conflicting but for the most part very informative. A few
> suggestions I didn't even think of. Will try some of these out this
> weekend. Thanks. Cory 65 Polara
>
> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > From: dougdaniel50@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Over heating
> > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:56:32 -0700
> >
> > if you do not need heat you don't need a thermostat but a shroud and a 7
> > blade fan,,,,,,,is a must ,,,clutch fan is not needed either
> >
> > --- On Thu, 6/24/10, Butch Edison <waedison@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Butch Edison <waedison@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: Re: Over heating
> > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 10:59 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For what it's worth.... I'm travelling the same path with
> > > my 64 Sport Fury 383. Within 5 minutes of starting and
> > > driving, it's running at 210 degrees F in 60-70 degree
> > > weather. If I stop, it immediately starts climbing into
> > > the 120s. I can watch the temps go straight up on my
> > > infrared gun. It ran hot before, but since finding it had
> > > no thermostat and putting in a new one, it's a lot worse.
> > > It has a new 180 degree thermostat. I had the system back
> > > flushed and the tech said it was actually pretty clean.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Not being a guy for incremental solutions, I'm going to be
> > > doing several things this weekend:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > * Replace missing fan shroud
> > >
> > > * Replace missing air dam
> > >
> > > * Replace missing hood-to-radiator gasket
> > >
> > > * Install correct fan and clutch fan
> > >
> > > ** Install "Cool Cruising" high performance water pump
> > >
> > > ** Install "Cool Crusing" 160 degree thermostat, per their
> > > recommendation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now, if this doesn't solve the problem, I think I'm looking
> > > at three things left:
> > >
> > > * possibly bottom radiator hose is collapsing, restricting
> > > flow.It seems to be really stiff, but they don't come with
> > > springs in them anymore, so maybe...
> > >
> > > * New radiator, although the radiator shop thinks this one
> > > is fine
> > >
> > > * Take the engine apart and see what's blocking flow
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now, it could be that my water pump is just going bad on
> > > it's own and putting a stock replacement in would cure this,
> > > but my experience with water pumps is they generally make
> > > noise or leak when they start going bad, which this one has
> > > not done.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll let you all know if this works. Suggestions from you
> > > guys are ALWAYS appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > /Butch/Ferndale, WA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff" <chargr1969@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:16:56 PM GMT -08:00
> > > US/Canada Pacific
> > > Subject: RE: Over heating
> > >
> > > yes a 180 thermostat. is very helpful.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 6/23/10, Cory Rempel <cory_383@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Cory Rempel <cory_383@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > > Subject: RE: Over heating
> > > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 9:28 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanx Ollie, but I DO have a big block 3 core rad.
> > > > And dodger, tanx for the advice on the thermostat. I
> > >
> > > > didn't even think about that one. If that and the
> > > > shroud thing don't work, then I don't know what
> > > > will.
> > > >
> > > > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > > > From: satellite1965@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: Over heating
> > > > > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:43:47 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cory,
> > > > > Greetings from Mississippi...Its your radiator
> > > and
> > > > water capacity. That 318
> > > > > radiator will not cool a 440. Trust me I know. If
> > > it
> > > > is a custom built
> > > > > aluminum, 3 core, 1 1/4 inch cores, cross flow,
> > > that
> > > > bolt into your stock
> > > > > radiator support..............you might have a
> > > chance.
> > > > I doubt it.
> > > > > Ollie
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Cory Rempel" <cory_383@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > > > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:24 PM
> > > > > Subject: Over heating
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greetings from Canada. Just put a 440 into
> > > my 65
> > > > Polara which was
> > > > > > originally a 318 poly. The 318 never over
> > > heated,
> > > > but this 440 constantly
> > > > > > runs very hot. To the point where it starts
> > > to
> > > > ping. It's got a big
> > > > > > block rad in it and the water pump is good.
> > > The
> > > > only thing I can think of
> > > > > > is that I don't have a shroud. Can a shroud
> > > make
> > > > that big of a
> > > > > > difference? I've never had this problem
> > > before.
> > > > Suggestions would be
> > > > > > appreciated?
> > > > > >
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