Be nice or I won't send that poly cam..... Just waiting to get my stroker built before I tear the poly down to see how many parts are still good. Later Bill BTW my wife would say that you are as sarcastic as I am and then just roll her eyes. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx> wrote: > From: Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx > Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 6:44 PM > > Agreed, but it makes a great gasket sealant. > > Gary P. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Dodger7998@xxxxxxx> > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas > > > > > Careful Gary,,,,,,,,,that cheeze whiz is not like fine wine > aged to > perfection > > > In a message dated 1/28/2010 4:55:00 P.M. Central Standard > Time, > glpavlovich@xxxxxxx > writes: > > > Ahhh, Yoda-Master Bill, aka "Hot-Rod Harrison;" your > humble servant in > training (not training pants again...) do acknowledge > some "wing of bat, > eye > of nute" concoctions of yore and monstrous > transformations that forbad > many > a would-be racer at the stroke of midnight to > challenge a finned > monoclonal > beast of the Mastodon class - our beloved finned > Fury's and the like. > > I will look for some "vintage" moth-balls at my 89 > yr.old mother's house; > found a crusty tin of "Glass Wax" yesterday and a > 1974 jar of Cheese > Whiz... > > Gary Pavlovich > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Harrison" <bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas > > > Some times grasshopper it is better to listen to experience > and not look > down on the old ways. > Many witches brews and home remedies are the basis > for many of todays > modern > meds. > And the old time racers that used moth balls > ground them up into a fine > powder before they added them to their gas, that's > from one of my uncles > who > worked the pits for my dad when he raced, and he also > told me that it was > common practice to replace all filters back then > because they raced on > dirt > but they never had trouble with carbs or gas tanks > being gunked up. > Later > Bill Harrison > 65 Coronet 2 dr post > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > From: Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx > > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 8:30 PM > > > > Interesting discussion on moth balls and > octane. > > > > I hardly trust our current fuel mix let alone a > witch's > > brew, but I think I > > just repeated myself. Anyhow I have come > > across/investigated the following > > two octane boosters that show merit; a > significant real > > octane boost for > > minimal cost p/gal outlay. > > > > The two boosters are MachTane and Kemco Octane > Supreme > > 130. I ordered one > > qt. of the MachTane and a case of the Kemco > 130. > > Additionally, if either > > product shows merit I may be buying regular to > large > > quantities. > > > > Anyhow, the information is out there now and if > anyone else > > gives it a test > > let me know your results and we can compare > notes. > > > > I would suspect that our 91 pump unleaded > swamp-water in CA > > is good for 9.5 > > to near 10 to 1 compression MAX depending a > great deal on > > internal engine > > factors where the 10 to 1 ratio is concerned. > > However, I am extremely > > encouraged that a true 10 to 1 compression > engine can be > > run economically > > with either of these boosters; testing to > follow. If > > I am correct in my > > pre-assessment, the cost basis would be approx. > a $1 p/gal. > > increase in fuel > > cost to run a 10 to 1 motor. > > > > I will keep you posted. > > > > Gary Pavlovich > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Herb" <zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:50 PM > > Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas > > > > > > > > > > The guys that I know that used mothballs and > swore by them > > had a five gallon > > gas can that they did their secrete mixing in > and then > > poured the concoction > > through a paint filter in a funnel stuffed with > cheese > > cloth directly into > > their tank, and then filled it with Sunoco 260. > They > > also had two inline > > filters on their cars. Don't recall that they > had any > > fuel problems, or any > > that they would talk about. If I remember > correctly I > > read that mothballs > > mixed with gasoline added an extra oxygen molecule > to the > > mixture, so it > > makes sense that it would make more HP somewhat > like a > > crude precursor to > > the nitros set-ups of today. We also had a guy > that > > swore the purple dye > > that Martin Gas Co. put in their ethyl was his > secrete > > performance enhancer. > > That said I also remember one guy bragging that he > > ran jet fuel mixed with > > his gas. The problem with that is jet fuel is > just > > diesel fuel run through > > another refining process. And regular gasoline > is two > > or three more steps > > above that. Now if he was bragging that he used > the > > high octane Aviation > > Gas like I ran then he might have something to > brag > > about. I used to keep > > my mouth shut and used their bragging as leverage to > spot > > me a couple of > > cars or more just to make the race even. (-; > > Just my two C!! > > > > > > Herb > > > > 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361 > > 1959 Coronet 326 Poly > > 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1 > > 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361 > > 1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale > > 1999 Durango SLT 5.9 > > 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1 > > St. Louis, MO. > > > > http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Doug Jacobsma > > Date: 1/26/2010 3:54:46 PM > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas > > > > > > I haven't tried it either. What I've been told > is it > > will leave enough to > > eventually gunk up your fuel filter. Atleast thats > > what the Harley guys > > have found. > > > > Jake > > '63 Sport Fury 'vert > > '04 Harley FXDWG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx > > > From: tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in > gas > > > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:59:00 -0700 > > > > > > What kind of residue does it leave. Would > it buildup > > in your tank and > > > fuel lines? > > > > > > Not that I plan on trying it, but am > curious about the > > adverse effect to > > > car's. Seems pretty toxic to people. > > > > > > --Tom > > > Ollie wrote: > > >> > > >> Very Interesting, > > >> Thanks > > >> Ollie > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: > "Steven > > Charette" > > >> > > >> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> > > >> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:22 AM > > >> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls > in gas > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Jake, > > >> Excellent information, thanks! > > >> > > >> SC > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Doug Jacobsma [mailto:big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx] > > >> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:56 AM > > >> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx > > >> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls > in gas > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> The subject of moth balls in gas has > come up on a > > Harley board I > > >> frequent, > > >> as we are always looking for better gas > with those > > too. Seems there is a > > >> chemical ingredient in moth balls that > will > > enhance octane some, it was > > >> indeed used by old time racers, but > those who have > > tried it have found it > > >> leaves a bit of residue behind, plus it > has some > > other unwanted > > >> characteristics. > > >> I've had pretty good luck with Lucas > additive and > > a couple others that > > >> list > > >> jet fuel as the carrier. Says it's good > as an > > upper lube also. > > >> Anyway, here's what we came up with as > far as moth > > balls go: > > >> > > >> JUST SO YA KNOW ! > > >> > > >> There are two different types of moth > balls - The > > older type is > > >> composted of > > >> Naphthalene and the newer type is composted > of > > Paradichlorobenzene. > > >> > > >> Both types sublimate from a solid > straight to a a > > gas- the gas is > > >> toxic to > > >> moths. > > >> > > >> The main threat is breathing the fumes, > also may > > have camphor added as a > > >> insect repellent. They also used to > clean the > > pipes on wood burning > > >> stoves. > > >> > > >> Dangers are: > > >> > > >> Inhaling concentrated fumes > > >> > > >> ingesting or eating them - HIGHLY TOXIC! > > >> > > >> Solvent abuse by kids > > >> > > >> Carcinogen > > >> > > >> Forms a bond with soil that will kill > beneficial > > soil insects. > > >> > > >> It has been proven plausible that > adding moth > > balls to a fuel tank will > > >> improve HP. > > >> > > >> > > >> Listed by the EPA and other Government > sources as > > a pesticide > > >> > > >> 7.5 million lbs. used as pest control > yearly > > >> > > >> 369 million lbs. used by the Dept. of > Defense > > yearly > > >> > > >> 1.84 billion lbs. used by US jet market > yearly > > >> > > >> Toxic level 2 - for inhaling > > >> > > >> Toxic level 3 - for contact to skin and > eyes > > >> > > >> Inhalation causes dizziness - vomiting > - nausea - > > headaches - > > >> shortness of > > >> breath - coughing - burning eyes > > >> > > >> Naphthalene can also kill red blood > cells causing > > hemolytic anemia and is > > >> also linked to nasal cancer. > > >> > > >> Moth > > >> crystals are made from > Paradichlorobenzene (PDB) > > which is more toxic than > > >> Naphthalene. Prolonged exposure on > plastics may > > melt them. > > >> > > >> PDB is a suspected carcinogen causing > cancer. > > >> > > >> Repeated inhalation can be fatal - > especially for > > children,elderly > > >> people,pets, and indirectly for > fetuses. > > >> > > >> TO SUM IT UP Paradichlorobenzene: > > >> > > >> Possible effects: vapor irritates > skin,eyes and > > respiratory tract,large > > >> doses can cause injury to > liver,suspected > > carcinogen. > > >> > > >> Naphthalene > > >> > > >> damages liver,prolonged vapor exposure > has led to > > cataract formation. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Think I'll stick to the stuff in a > bottle! > > >> > > >> Jake > > >> '63 Sport Fury 'vert > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx > > >>> From: bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx > > >>> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild status and > how much > > compression we can run on > > >>> pump gas w > > >>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:17:39 > -0800 > > >>> > > >>> I remember when I was a kid that my > dad used > > to add moth balls to his > > >> gasoline for his circle track racer in > the 40's > > and 50's. > > >>> I don't know what the ratio was but > he won a > > lot of races. > > >>> Later > > >>> Bill Harrison > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > >> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email > service. > > >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ > > >> > > >> > > >> ---- > > >> Please address private mail -- mail of > interest to > > only one person -- > > >> directly to that person. 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