From: Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 6:44 PM
Agreed, but it makes a great gasket sealant.
Gary P.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dodger7998@xxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
Careful Gary,,,,,,,,,that cheeze whiz is not like fine wine
aged to
perfection
In a message dated 1/28/2010 4:55:00 P.M. Central Standard
Time,
glpavlovich@xxxxxxx
writes:
Ahhh, Yoda-Master Bill, aka "Hot-Rod Harrison;" your
humble servant in
training (not training pants again...) do acknowledge
some "wing of bat,
eye
of nute" concoctions of yore and monstrous
transformations that forbad
many
a would-be racer at the stroke of midnight to
challenge a finned
monoclonal
beast of the Mastodon class - our beloved finned
Fury's and the like.
I will look for some "vintage" moth-balls at my 89
yr.old mother's house;
found a crusty tin of "Glass Wax" yesterday and a
1974 jar of Cheese
Whiz...
Gary Pavlovich
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Harrison" <bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
Some times grasshopper it is better to listen to experience
and not look
down on the old ways.
Many witches brews and home remedies are the basis
for many of todays
modern
meds.
And the old time racers that used moth balls
ground them up into a fine
powder before they added them to their gas, that's
from one of my uncles
who
worked the pits for my dad when he raced, and he also
told me that it was
common practice to replace all filters back then
because they raced on
dirt
but they never had trouble with carbs or gas tanks
being gunked up.
Later
Bill Harrison
65 Coronet 2 dr post
--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
> From: Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 8:30 PM
>
> Interesting discussion on moth balls and
octane.
>
> I hardly trust our current fuel mix let alone a
witch's
> brew, but I think I
> just repeated myself. Anyhow I have come
> across/investigated the following
> two octane boosters that show merit; a
significant real
> octane boost for
> minimal cost p/gal outlay.
>
> The two boosters are MachTane and Kemco Octane
Supreme
> 130. I ordered one
> qt. of the MachTane and a case of the Kemco
130.
> Additionally, if either
> product shows merit I may be buying regular to
large
> quantities.
>
> Anyhow, the information is out there now and if
anyone else
> gives it a test
> let me know your results and we can compare
notes.
>
> I would suspect that our 91 pump unleaded
swamp-water in CA
> is good for 9.5
> to near 10 to 1 compression MAX depending a
great deal on
> internal engine
> factors where the 10 to 1 ratio is concerned.
> However, I am extremely
> encouraged that a true 10 to 1 compression
engine can be
> run economically
> with either of these boosters; testing to
follow. If
> I am correct in my
> pre-assessment, the cost basis would be approx.
a $1 p/gal.
> increase in fuel
> cost to run a 10 to 1 motor.
>
> I will keep you posted.
>
> Gary Pavlovich
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herb" <zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:50 PM
> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
>
>
>
>
> The guys that I know that used mothballs and
swore by them
> had a five gallon
> gas can that they did their secrete mixing in
and then
> poured the concoction
> through a paint filter in a funnel stuffed with
cheese
> cloth directly into
> their tank, and then filled it with Sunoco 260.
They
> also had two inline
> filters on their cars. Don't recall that they
had any
> fuel problems, or any
> that they would talk about. If I remember
correctly I
> read that mothballs
> mixed with gasoline added an extra oxygen molecule
to the
> mixture, so it
> makes sense that it would make more HP somewhat
like a
> crude precursor to
> the nitros set-ups of today. We also had a guy
that
> swore the purple dye
> that Martin Gas Co. put in their ethyl was his
secrete
> performance enhancer.
> That said I also remember one guy bragging that he
> ran jet fuel mixed with
> his gas. The problem with that is jet fuel is
just
> diesel fuel run through
> another refining process. And regular gasoline
is two
> or three more steps
> above that. Now if he was bragging that he used
the
> high octane Aviation
> Gas like I ran then he might have something to
brag
> about. I used to keep
> my mouth shut and used their bragging as leverage to
spot
> me a couple of
> cars or more just to make the race even. (-;
> Just my two C!!
>
>
> Herb
>
> 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361
> 1959 Coronet 326 Poly
> 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1
> 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361
> 1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale
> 1999 Durango SLT 5.9
> 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1
> St. Louis, MO.
>
> http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html
>
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Doug Jacobsma
> Date: 1/26/2010 3:54:46 PM
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
>
>
> I haven't tried it either. What I've been told
is it
> will leave enough to
> eventually gunk up your fuel filter. Atleast thats
> what the Harley guys
> have found.
>
> Jake
> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
> '04 Harley FXDWG
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > From: tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in
gas
> > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:59:00 -0700
> >
> > What kind of residue does it leave. Would
it buildup
> in your tank and
> > fuel lines?
> >
> > Not that I plan on trying it, but am
curious about the
> adverse effect to
> > car's. Seems pretty toxic to people.
> >
> > --Tom
> > Ollie wrote:
> >>
> >> Very Interesting,
> >> Thanks
> >> Ollie
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From:
"Steven
> Charette"
> >>
> >> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:22 AM
> >> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls
in gas
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jake,
> >> Excellent information, thanks!
> >>
> >> SC
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Doug Jacobsma [mailto:big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:56 AM
> >> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls
in gas
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The subject of moth balls in gas has
come up on a
> Harley board I
> >> frequent,
> >> as we are always looking for better gas
with those
> too. Seems there is a
> >> chemical ingredient in moth balls that
will
> enhance octane some, it was
> >> indeed used by old time racers, but
those who have
> tried it have found it
> >> leaves a bit of residue behind, plus it
has some
> other unwanted
> >> characteristics.
> >> I've had pretty good luck with Lucas
additive and
> a couple others that
> >> list
> >> jet fuel as the carrier. Says it's good
as an
> upper lube also.
> >> Anyway, here's what we came up with as
far as moth
> balls go:
> >>
> >> JUST SO YA KNOW !
> >>
> >> There are two different types of moth
balls - The
> older type is
> >> composted of
> >> Naphthalene and the newer type is composted
of
> Paradichlorobenzene.
> >>
> >> Both types sublimate from a solid
straight to a a
> gas- the gas is
> >> toxic to
> >> moths.
> >>
> >> The main threat is breathing the fumes,
also may
> have camphor added as a
> >> insect repellent. They also used to
clean the
> pipes on wood burning
> >> stoves.
> >>
> >> Dangers are:
> >>
> >> Inhaling concentrated fumes
> >>
> >> ingesting or eating them - HIGHLY TOXIC!
> >>
> >> Solvent abuse by kids
> >>
> >> Carcinogen
> >>
> >> Forms a bond with soil that will kill
beneficial
> soil insects.
> >>
> >> It has been proven plausible that
adding moth
> balls to a fuel tank will
> >> improve HP.
> >>
> >>
> >> Listed by the EPA and other Government
sources as
> a pesticide
> >>
> >> 7.5 million lbs. used as pest control
yearly
> >>
> >> 369 million lbs. used by the Dept. of
Defense
> yearly
> >>
> >> 1.84 billion lbs. used by US jet market
yearly
> >>
> >> Toxic level 2 - for inhaling
> >>
> >> Toxic level 3 - for contact to skin and
eyes
> >>
> >> Inhalation causes dizziness - vomiting
- nausea -
> headaches -
> >> shortness of
> >> breath - coughing - burning eyes
> >>
> >> Naphthalene can also kill red blood
cells causing
> hemolytic anemia and is
> >> also linked to nasal cancer.
> >>
> >> Moth
> >> crystals are made from
Paradichlorobenzene (PDB)
> which is more toxic than
> >> Naphthalene. Prolonged exposure on
plastics may
> melt them.
> >>
> >> PDB is a suspected carcinogen causing
cancer.
> >>
> >> Repeated inhalation can be fatal -
especially for
> children,elderly
> >> people,pets, and indirectly for
fetuses.
> >>
> >> TO SUM IT UP Paradichlorobenzene:
> >>
> >> Possible effects: vapor irritates
skin,eyes and
> respiratory tract,large
> >> doses can cause injury to
liver,suspected
> carcinogen.
> >>
> >> Naphthalene
> >>
> >> damages liver,prolonged vapor exposure
has led to
> cataract formation.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Think I'll stick to the stuff in a
bottle!
> >>
> >> Jake
> >> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>> From: bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild status and
how much
> compression we can run on
> >>> pump gas w
> >>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:17:39
-0800
> >>>
> >>> I remember when I was a kid that my
dad used
> to add moth balls to his
> >> gasoline for his circle track racer in
the 40's
> and 50's.
> >>> I don't know what the ratio was but
he won a
> lot of races.
> >>> Later
> >>> Bill Harrison
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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