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Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas


Agreed, but it makes a great gasket sealant.

Gary P.
----- Original Message ----- From: <Dodger7998@xxxxxxx> 
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas




Careful Gary,,,,,,,,,that cheeze whiz is not like fine wine aged to
perfection


In a message dated 1/28/2010 4:55:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
glpavlovich@xxxxxxx writes:


Ahhh, Yoda-Master Bill, aka "Hot-Rod Harrison;" your humble  servant in
training (not training pants again...) do acknowledge some  "wing of bat,
eye
of nute" concoctions of yore and monstrous  transformations that forbad
many
a would-be racer at the stroke of  midnight to challenge a finned
monoclonal
beast of the Mastodon class -  our beloved finned Fury's and the like.

I will look for some "vintage"  moth-balls at my 89 yr.old mother's house;
found a crusty tin of "Glass  Wax" yesterday and a 1974 jar of Cheese
Whiz...

Gary Pavlovich
----- Original Message ----- From: "William Harrison" <bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent:  Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in  gas


Some times grasshopper it is better to listen to experience and  not look
down on the old ways.
Many witches brews and home remedies are  the basis for many of todays
modern
meds.
And the old time racers that  used moth balls  ground them up into a fine
powder before they added  them to their gas, that's from one of my uncles
who
worked the pits for my  dad when he raced, and he also told me that it was
common practice to  replace all filters back then because they raced on
dirt
but they never  had trouble with carbs or gas tanks being gunked up.
Later
Bill  Harrison
65 Coronet 2 dr post

--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Gary Pavlovich  <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Gary Pavlovich  <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in  gas
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, January 26,  2010, 8:30 PM

Interesting discussion on moth balls and  octane.

I hardly trust our current fuel mix let alone a  witch's
brew, but I think I
just repeated myself. Anyhow I  have come
across/investigated the following
two octane  boosters that show merit; a significant real
octane boost for
 minimal cost p/gal outlay.

The two boosters are MachTane and  Kemco Octane Supreme
130. I ordered one
qt. of the MachTane  and a case of the Kemco 130.
Additionally, if either
product  shows merit I may be buying regular to large
 quantities.

Anyhow, the information is out there now and if  anyone else
gives it a test
let me know your results and we  can compare notes.

I would suspect that our 91 pump unleaded  swamp-water in CA
is good for 9.5
to near 10 to 1 compression  MAX depending a great deal on
internal engine
factors where  the 10 to 1 ratio is concerned.
However, I am extremely
 encouraged that a true 10 to 1 compression engine can be
run  economically
with either of these boosters; testing to follow.  If
I am correct in my
pre-assessment, the cost basis would be  approx. a $1 p/gal.
increase in fuel
cost to run a 10 to 1  motor.

I will keep you posted.

Gary  Pavlovich
----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb" <zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To:  <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010  2:50 PM
Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in  gas




The guys that I know that used  mothballs and swore by them
had a five gallon
gas can that  they did their secrete mixing in and then
poured the  concoction
through a paint filter in a funnel stuffed with  cheese
cloth directly into
their tank, and then filled it with  Sunoco 260. They
also had two inline
filters on their cars.  Don't recall that they had any
fuel problems, or any
that they  would talk about. If I remember correctly I
read that  mothballs
mixed with gasoline added an extra oxygen molecule to  the
mixture, so it
makes sense that it would make more HP  somewhat like a
crude precursor to
the nitros set-ups of  today. We also had a guy that
swore the purple dye
that Martin  Gas Co. put in their ethyl was his secrete
performance  enhancer.
That said I also remember one guy bragging that he
 ran jet fuel mixed with
his gas. The problem with that is jet fuel is  just
diesel fuel run through
another refining process. And  regular gasoline is two
or three more steps
above that. Now if  he was bragging that he used the
high octane Aviation
Gas like  I ran then he might have something to brag
about. I used to  keep
my mouth shut and used their bragging as leverage to spot
 me a couple of
cars or more just to make the race even. (-;
 Just my two C!!

         
  Herb

1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361
1959 Coronet 326  Poly
1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1
1963 Sport Fury Convertible  361
1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale
1999 Durango SLT  5.9
2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1
St. Louis, MO.

 http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html




 -------Original Message-------

From: Doug Jacobsma
 Date: 1/26/2010 3:54:46 PM
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
 Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas


I haven't  tried it either. What I've been told is it
will leave enough  to
eventually gunk up your fuel filter. Atleast thats
what the  Harley guys
have found.

Jake
'63 Sport Fury  'vert
'04 Harley  FXDWG










 ----------------------------------------
> To:  1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> From: tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx
 > Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> Date: Tue, 26  Jan 2010 07:59:00 -0700
>
> What kind of residue does it  leave. Would it buildup
in your tank and
> fuel  lines?
>
> Not that I plan on trying it, but am curious  about the
adverse effect to
> car's. Seems pretty toxic to  people.
>
> --Tom
> Ollie wrote:
 >>
>> Very Interesting,
>> Thanks
 >> Ollie
>> ----- Original Message ----- From:  "Steven
Charette"
>>
>> To:  <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, January 25,  2010 9:22 AM
>> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in  gas
>>
>>
>>
>>  Jake,
>> Excellent information, thanks!
>>
 >> SC
>>
>> -----Original  Message-----
>> From: Doug Jacobsma  [mailto:big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Monday, January 25,  2010 9:56 AM
>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
>>  Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
>>
 >>
>>
>> The subject of moth balls in gas  has come up on a
Harley board I
>> frequent,
 >> as we are always looking for better gas with those
too. Seems  there is a
>> chemical ingredient in moth balls that  will
enhance octane some, it was
>> indeed used by old  time racers, but those who have
tried it have found it
 >> leaves a bit of residue behind, plus it has some
other  unwanted
>> characteristics.
>> I've had pretty  good luck with Lucas additive and
a couple others that
 >> list
>> jet fuel as the carrier. Says it's good as  an
upper lube also.
>> Anyway, here's what we came up  with as far as moth
balls go:
>>
>> JUST  SO YA KNOW !
>>
>> There are two different types  of moth balls - The
older type is
>> composted  of
>> Naphthalene and the newer type is composted of
 Paradichlorobenzene.
>>
>> Both types sublimate  from a solid straight to a a
gas- the gas is
>> toxic  to
>> moths.
>>
>> The main threat  is breathing the fumes, also may
have camphor added as a
 >> insect repellent. They also used to clean the
pipes on wood  burning
>> stoves.
>>
>> Dangers  are:
>>
>> Inhaling concentrated fumes
 >>
>> ingesting or eating them - HIGHLY TOXIC!
 >>
>> Solvent abuse by kids
>>
 >> Carcinogen
>>
>> Forms a bond with soil  that will kill beneficial
soil insects.
>>
 >> It has been proven plausible that adding moth
balls to a fuel  tank will
>> improve HP.
>>
 >>
>> Listed by the EPA and other Government sources  as
a pesticide
>>
>> 7.5 million lbs. used  as pest control yearly
>>
>> 369 million lbs. used  by the Dept. of Defense
yearly
>>
>> 1.84  billion lbs. used by US jet market yearly
>>
>>  Toxic level 2 - for inhaling
>>
>> Toxic level 3 -  for contact to skin and eyes
>>
>> Inhalation  causes dizziness - vomiting - nausea -
headaches -
>>  shortness of
>> breath - coughing - burning eyes
 >>
>> Naphthalene can also kill red blood cells  causing
hemolytic anemia and is
>> also linked to nasal  cancer.
>>
>> Moth
>> crystals are  made from Paradichlorobenzene (PDB)
which is more toxic than
 >> Naphthalene. Prolonged exposure on plastics may
melt  them.
>>
>> PDB is a suspected carcinogen causing  cancer.
>>
>> Repeated inhalation can be fatal -  especially for
children,elderly
>> people,pets, and  indirectly for fetuses.
>>
>> TO SUM IT UP  Paradichlorobenzene:
>>
>> Possible effects: vapor  irritates skin,eyes and
respiratory tract,large
>> doses  can cause injury to liver,suspected
carcinogen.
 >>
>> Naphthalene
>>
>>  damages liver,prolonged vapor exposure has led to
cataract  formation.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Think I'll stick to the stuff in a bottle!
>>
>>  Jake
>> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
>>
 >>
>>
>>
>>
 >>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> From:  bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild status and how  much
compression we can run on
>>> pump gas w
 >>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:17:39 -0800
 >>>
>>> I remember when I was a kid that my dad  used
to add moth balls to his
>> gasoline for his circle  track racer in the 40's
and 50's.
>>> I don't know  what the ratio was but he won a
lot of races.
>>>  Later
>>> Bill Harrison
>>>
 >>>
>>
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