Re: Converted 4-door
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Re: Converted 4-door
- From: John Hammond <426_maxwedge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:29:43 -0400
Believe it or not there were some factory 3-door Valients. Tennesee Valley
Authority commissoned them from Chrysler I believe they were '64 or '65
models and I think they were all dark green. Still run across one ever now
an then here in the Volunteer State.
Weird critters they are but you oughta find one for as a stable-mate to the
Belvedere.
John Hammond
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herb" <zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: Converted 4-door
Or what about this one!
http://www.63plymouth.com/Steve%20Hurst%27s%20Plymouth%20Compromise.html
Herb
1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361
1959 Coronet 326 Poly
1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1
1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361
1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale
1999 Durango SLT 5.9
2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1
St. Louis, MO.
http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html
-------Original Message-------
From: John Hammond
Date: 9/16/2009 5:38:42 PM
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Converted 4-door
Why Bother... just leave it titled and VIN'ed as a 4-dr. Shows that you're
not trying to pull a fast one
on any future potential buyer. A lot of folks soon wont be able to purchase
a nice original two door so
a cheaper cloned version will sell if done correctly and the photo album
documenting the extensive work
stays in the car at all times as proof and a conversation piece. Pulled
over? Whip that photo journal out
and start up a L-E-N-G-T-H-Y disertation on the process with officer...
don't stop talking or give him the
opportunity to break in anywhere. You won't have to talk your way out of a
ticket, your gonna talk PAST
the citation. He'll finally thank you, and move-on to a less talkative
violator; and we ALL can quote chapter
and verse when it comes to Mopar. Imagine how easy it is to never shut-up
about something this extensive.
Extensive as it is; from what I've seen so-far it's very straight-forward
and well within the reach of most
decent bodymen. There have been a number of wagons converted to two doors,
and this topic never even
comes up except to comment on "how it looks like came that way" if anybody
even notices at all. Some things
are certain: it's got more people interested in owning it, it's less likely
to be discarded and will have a new
extended lease on life, the OMG factor just went up drastically in your
talant and dedication column, and oh
yeah, 4-door B-bodies are suddenly a hot commodity as a build platform
rather than parts donors. Think
of the trickle down theory on that for a second....woohoooaftermarkethelp!
I don't think it's an issue unless
the cloner tries to sway the origins. A lot of us know what a hardtop is,
mention the term to most anyone,
including a younger car nut, and imagine the confused stare...I'm not
suggesting anything here just trying to
make a point.
John Hammond
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Charette" <stevec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:59 PM
Subject: RE: Converted 4-door
Dave and Tom,
This is an interesting discussion... at what point does one cross
the line when replacing parts? We're doing a '64 Savoy right now and are
replacing the floor, trunk floor, firewall, cowl, trans crossmember,
K-member, inner fenders, fenders, hood - you get the idea. We'll make it
look fairly "correct", but it will always be just a clone.
There is a local guy selling a '70 or '71 E-Body (not sure which)
firewall section - it was saw-zalled across the a-pillars, through the
floor
ahead of the trans crossmember, and down the front of the firewall. It's
basically just the firewall and vin tag with some cowl pieces... if one
were
to buy this and build a car around it, is it still that car?
IMHO it's just a matter of replacing parts. To put it in context:
if you had an original 64 Hemi lightweight car and it burned in a fire, or
was destroyed in a tornado, and you rebuilt it, is it still an original
car?
What if you re-bodied it with a slant six body? Now what if some guy buys
a
cowl section (as described above) and uses junkyard parts to complete the
car?
The real problem arises when somebody tries to pass off a converted
four-door as an original aluminum nose car or something like that... you
gotta know that some opportunist has done something like this. But what
about a guy (I have a friend locally doing one) builds a '64 Belvedere two
door from a low-mileage 4 door, adds a max wedge with all the correct
stuff,
just for his own enjoyment?
I don't think local law enforcement would press the issue unless
someone actually forced it... if the vin matches the registration they
probably have better things to do than check to see if the car is
"correct".
Other states may be more aggressive, as with inspections and the like.
Here
in Michigan it's pretty lax... there was a guy at our local show last
weekend with a car built out of wood.
Sticky issue... anybody else?
SC
-----Original Message-----
From: dwalters@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dwalters@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:23 PM
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Converted 4-door
Tom Watters wrote:
Hi Dave,
How can you tell its a converted 4-door body?
http://www.moparsbymosher.com/projects/tonys64dodge/body&paint/underca
rriage-03.html
dwalters@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> oparsbymosher.com/projects/tonys64dodge/body&paint/undercarriage-03.
> html
>
> rear '64 Dogge
>
> I'd never spend that kind of money on a converted 4 door body. But
> hey, nothing a little VIN/SO swapping wont fix...
>
> Dave Walters
> Aurora, Co.
Hey, Tom. Good to see you're still nosing around in the hobby. I should
stop
by to see you on the way to the Fall Fling. You heard DJ (Prowler) was
shot
and killed in his house, didn't you?
To answer your question, if you look at the progress pics all the way back
to when the car was dropped off at Mosher's you'll plainly see it's a
converted 4 door car. IMO, if it's just going to be an anonymous race car,
no problem. Unless the VIN tag is swapped how is this car going to pass
any
sort of state inspection? VIN tampering is a Federal crime.
There's a guy here in Denver that can't get rid of an "A990" car because
he
swapped the VIN tag and the package tray containing the partial SO number.
If you don't swap the VIN tag and you're stopped by the police and they
notice the title/registration shows a 4 door vehicle instead of the Post
car
that he pulled over, then what?
Most cars leaving Mosher's shop have $100,000 in them. I know I wouldn't
want to gamble that amount of money on an "understanding" buyer. And I
can't
imagine a converted 4 door bringing the same resale dollars that an
original
Post car would.
[gets off of soap box]
Dave Walters
Aurora, Co.
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