RE: Hemi vs. Max Wedge

[Rich Kinsley <rlkinsley@xxxxxxxxx>]

My 383 Super Bee used to blow away the Charger RT's everyday. I did have 
the gearing on them though with 3:91's. I raced a Marine on the way to 
work everyday for about 2 months in '69. We entered the onramp with him 
ahead of me and when we hit the freeway I had passed him. It was fun :-) 
I think the 383's rev faster than the 440's. I'm sure he had more top 
end but I sure pulled him on the bottom end. It'd rev 7200rpm's too. 
Sweet engine, 383 magnum w/ram air.
Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies

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mikelj@xxxxxxx wrote:
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> Thanks to everyone for your views.  I remember my college roomate had a 
> '68 Coronet R/T with the Hemi, it seemed to have lots of problems and he 
> traded it after a few months for a 440 R/T.  But it is obvious it 
> matters what intakes and cams you have on either engine, so thanks for 
> the insights on that too.  There is also a case to be made it seems to 
> just upgrade my exisiting 383 2 bbl.  I guess I could squeeze a few 
> horses out of it with a 4 bbl. better manifold, and better cam, plus 
> dual exhausts without modfifying it too much.  I will think about this, 
> and thanks again for your experience.
> 
> Mike in New Mexico
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> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > From: big-d@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Hemi vs. Max Wedge
> > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:21:47 -0400
> > 
> > 
> > I have had both.
> > My max wedge is very driveable despite its big cam and higher 
> > compression 
> > but I use the NASCAR intake (Rev 2 )which was a intake , single 4 
> > barrrel 
> > developed for circle track racing these motors. If you go to 
> > dropshots.com/Dolmetsch you can find a couple of videos of it cruising. 
> > I 
> > also sustituted my private grind hydraulic cam which is almost the same 
> > specs numerically as the max wedge orignal but eliminates the valve 
> > adjstment routine and the racket from the solids. It also makes more 
> > power 
> > having more lift (becauseno valve lash to be subtracted from ift figues 
> > (Solid ligfter valve lifts are given at zero lash which is ridiculous 
> > since 
> > no solid lifter cam runs at zero lash) and a hydraulic has a bit more 
> > effective duration since it isnt being spent snugging up the lash. Since 
> > 
> > solids are really only necessary for high RPM above 7000 and since a max 
> > 
> > wedge never sees that it works fine. I have now well over 30,000 miles 
> > on 
> > it. I had a 426 hemi in the 70s on the street in a 63 Dodge post car. It 
> > was 
> > a 68 Charger engine that had been discarded by the previous owners due 
> > to 
> > high mainenance and also the car had been wrecked. I did not have 
> > trouble 
> > with it either although I did look after it. I drove it on the street 
> > for a 
> > year but no one would play so I made it into a racecar and eventually 
> > reinstalled it in a 69 Dart. It is still running BTWand is now in a FED 
> > with 
> > an underdriven blower on it.(I was privilaged to be the ladst to freshen 
> > it 
> > and it was still in good condition. It was high maintenance engine but 
> > not 
> > unreasonably. I am currently helping a frend do a 426 hemi for a 68 RR. 
> > I am 
> > in charge of parts picking and such and do it in conjunction with my old 
> > 
> > friend and the guy i apprenticed for machine shop under Harry Wilson. It 
> > 
> > will be hydrualic cammed , twin carters (or eddys) just under 10 to 1 
> > compression and will need to be maintainace free. In my career the vast 
> > magority of engines i built were for non car guys and would have to run 
> > with 
> > competitive power for a season with no Don around as I didnt go racing 
> > wth 
> > them. Steert engines were the same. Some fellows would not even be able 
> > to 
> > change plugs so i got used to building this style of motor. Many are 
> > still 
> > running 20 to 30 years later. I will see how this hemi turns out but I 
> > am 
> > confident we can do it --- because we have to! The biggest deal with the 
> > 426 
> > is getting the carb linkage in sync. The difference this makes is huge 
> > and 
> > can be the difference between a puker (big bog) and a stomper despite 
> > its 
> > seemingly simple operation. I know some go to the single four for the 
> > 426 
> > but really once set up right it is a mechnical thing and can only be 
> > changed 
> > by a well meaning but ill informed friend with ichy fingers. Now someone 
> > 
> > will say you put a single 4 on your 426 MAX Wedge but wouldnt do so on 
> > the 
> > hemi. I am defenceless to that because it is true. The 426 MW single 
> > four 
> > was a factory piece though even though according to big Daddy museum it 
> > is 
> > very rare. I almost had to bleed for mine. A simlar piece was remade by 
> > MP 
> > a few years back though. For me the choice Hemi or MAX Wedge would be 
> > strictly a $ thing. hemis are expensive, period, but they sure shut the 
> > bowtie crowd up. You can hear them shaking in thier boots when they see 
> > one.
> > Anyway , you asked. That has been my experience.
> > Don
> > BTW I loked after a fleet of 426 hemis for car collectorglen Cole for 23 
> > 
> > years hehad everything froma 67 426 Charger to a 71 426 Charger 
> > including a 
> > 69 436 hemi 500 (flush grill and flush rear window. )That was sold to me 
> > 
> > Ericson of Ericson tiedowns.
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <mikelj@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 7:16 PM
> > Subject: Hemi vs. Max Wedge
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know all you guys have good advice and opinions about things Mopar. So 
> > > 
> > > let me ask a question as to your views on putting a 426 Hemi (425 horse, 
> > > 
> > > dual quad type) vs. a 426 or 413 Max Wedge Stage III in a '64 Polara. I 
> > > know the torque and HP curves for them, but I am interested in the 
> > > streetability and driveability of these engine setups. I like to drive 
> > > my 
> > > cars and don't like cars that won't start easily, idle dependably, or 
> > > stall frequently. And I like an engine that is dependable and not too 
> > > cantankerous and needing lots of attention. Given that, I would be 
> > > interested in your opinions of which would be best for a street car. 
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Mike in New Mexico
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Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies


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