an interesting observation: yes, true, a four door has always carried a bit of stigma with it, i am not saying its right or wrong, good or bad, but thats the way it is. But the interesting thing is that if u check out the cars of the souped up rice burner kids LOTS of them are four doors, they seem to never have been notified . also with the euro sedans it doesnt seem to be the big deal either, for instance that movie "THE TRANSPORTER" ( dumb, but i had to see it), hes doing all his tricky nifty high speed driving in a four door. i was shocked , i was sure they would have him in a Lambo or something, but no, it was a four door BMW. neal zimmerman, eugene Oregon -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.