Re: {Chrysler 300} Fuel injection on old cars

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 5:55:04 PM UTC-5 jsnowosacki wrote:

I think that Edelbrock system is the one Herb was talking about.
Herb and his son Mike are both members and in the club roster
Herb is herbMcC...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and Mike is my65...@xxxxxxx
Between them they have a bunch of letter cars and at least one Imperial.

On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 4:41 PM apozdol <apo...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Edelbrock sells a underhood pump. Just route a return. No personal experience with this.

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From: John Nowosacki <jsnow...@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 5/17/24 4:18 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: John Grady <j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: James Douglas <j...@xxxxxxxxxx>, chrysler 300 club <chrysler-300-cl...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Fuel injection on old cars

The last two years at Carlisle Chrysler I spoke with Herb McCandless as he was touting what he considered to be an 'easy' and 'effective' EFI system that he and Mike put on a couple different early 60's Chrysler products. I think one was Herb's Imperial that he has put quite a few trouble-free miles on since the conversion.
He's a great guy, and I'm sure he'd happily supply the details of how it was done and what products were used.

On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 4:10 PM John Grady <j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi James ,
a few words ; i tried to do all that 5 years ago— I did actually . First you cannot “ weld” the tank as it is too thin you blow holes in the thin metal instantly , and it warps instantly . it is galvanized ,burns off in and out plus it is rippled with lines embossed in ( 60 F anyway) so you cannot add a flat plate etc etc . Trying to do that cost me two tanks destroyed , one new . And a month.
I wanted pickup and return in a little box at bottom as is common in race cars . I Over thought all this . Box prevents starvation of pump , the overspeed that results can hurt it
I did finally do it by rethinking it, using teflon washers and so called “ bulkhead fittings “ . I soldered the brass washers to the fitting on the one outside the tank . Nut inside
I bought a FiTech system , hot stuff at the time , Porsche pump outside , filters etc Two lines . RPM pickup , bung for O2 ( those punt too ,and very location sensitive)
Used the old suction pipe as a vent . Did not want return spraying around inside making gas vapor .

All along had late night misgivings about complexity , safety and failure modes . Any of this punts on road you are done for .

No one can help you . Tow . To where?

Then I started reading about fires with high pressure fuel , etc etc and a guy killed by fire at drag race when clutch explosion severed FI fuel line . Bad way to go .
I had mine inside frame at times most of way but still . Thought about steel pipe sleeves.I had run up firewall
like they show you to do. Don’t want to be toasted critter .

Time passed , years. —- maybe a month or two of effort had gone into all this and its details back then . Wiring complicated to slow pump depending on need otherwise screaming at full output . Poor info on all that , regulator or not etc etc After a while I felt just not ready for prime time on my car in general . OK on oem , And Holley is in this business now .

But i read one day in Hot Rod of a low dollar Ford 460 build ( offset grind con rod journals Chevy journals / rods etc .Got up over 500 cubic inch . ( I always liked that motor) .Aluminum heads. Point is 600 ho 600 ft lb . maybe 5k$ . That’s 225 hp more than ram car , with one simple carb that costs less than a rebuild of carbs.

But critical :— for $ reasons They used a Brawler carb ( low end holley) and remarked they were amazed with AF senders on each cylinder it was perfect A/F ratio across ALL operating ranges . (!!!) Out of box,they touched nothing ) .Did not have to . Air flow is air flow …. any motor , was my thought

They further remarked that carbs are extremely accurate now , order of magnitude better accuracy than our AFB , due to computer modeling of flows etc arising out of pollution control efforts . Add in it is calibrated for ethanol gas , which our 300 are not , so ours will run a bit lean . You may get there , ” Tuning” I doubt it . And I have a life to live , not stressed by fighting with old inaccurate carbs. —- That seem to end up rich to run at all .
So I did a 180 , removing all the FI stuff , who needs all these hassles and failure modes especially . And unfixable even by a holley engineer for weeks if it acts up . plus fire . Plus computer BS . And related intermittents.
No thanks . Good in a toyota as an engineered system .
Good thing to talk about , hard to decide . Ignore hype , think for yourself ….
Hope this helps ; your tank stays as it is . Engine too .
nice thought , right?
Spare carb in trunk if worried. Save 2-3 k and months of time …
jg

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On May 16, 2024, at 6:43 PM, 'James Douglas' via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-cl...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I was wondering the same thing about where is the fuel p[pick up…

I am going to buy a new tank for the ’64. I plan on drilling and welding a return bug into it. New Tank---no boom.

I also want to see if I can adapt a Walbro in tank pump and maintain the stock sender unit.

I can tell folks that I purchased a new repro sender for my ’47 DeSoto and the thing was junk. I wept through the plate as they just put a minimum of sealant and then riveted the two plates. I needed to drill it out and then make a gasket with sealant and then rivet it and then hammer the rivets flat. A PITA for a “new” sender.

James

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Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 12:13
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Subject: {Chrysler 300} Amazon.com MOTOR METER RACING Swing Arm Type Universal Fuel Level Sender Float 0-90 ohms Suitable for Depth 5-27 Adjustable

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Hey, guys .. found this , it is a great thing ; it comes 0-90 ohms but you can flip it over to get 90-0 ( does not say that anywhere but i did it ) we are 90 ohms empty close to zero full ( 10 ohms I think ) we don’t care too much about F but sure care about E .
So I made a mistake started copying bends etc on stock unit . Not too swift of me; then realized that cannot work . So when all else fails , read the directions .
The way this works the arm always moves 90 degrees , so pivot has to be in middle of tank depth . so that is 1/2 full it moves up and down equally from there . Many oem have pivot up high and bent arm but then travel cannot be 90 degrees as At E float might then hang straight down ( !) which i did in error by putting pivot where oem was and tried bending arm . All wrong . read directions ( lookin at myself)

so pivot half way in tank easy , after flip over , then arm is just straight you cut it for total travel of arc up and down . They give you a nice chart for those lengths , just measure depth of tank where float will be
Really well made variable resistor, much better quality than stock , real springs pushing contact , not bent sheetmetal —and only 25$ . plus you can slide arm in and out get E perfect if you want to fuss around .
huge problem solved ! ( does not fix poorly calibrated gauges , but this end can be right) Will have to remount to mopar disc , that’s easy .
awwwright !
john g
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