Re: [Chrysler300] a/c

[cotejohnr@xxxxxxx]

 Hello Stig!

Don't know what to think about your '56 T&C. All I can say is the build card would tell the truth!

I do know that my conversation with Bruce Thomas, Historian at Chrysler Historical (who I believe has been at Chrysler from the 50's) indicated to me that there were no factory A/C Chrysler wagons made as that unit was not available. (Bruce also said he remembered seeing a '56 Chrysler Imperial wagon in the Chrysler headquarters parking lot made from a NYer wagon with an Imperial front clip. Apparently for a Chrysler Exec or the President so strange things can be real.

One clue could be how the A/C lines inside the car were covered up as they progressed up to the rear roof unit, but again the proof is in the build card from C.H. May be worth the documentation if the only one.

I wouldn't mind having some digital photos (off line) of the unit still installed and the interior lines installation cosmetics/cover ups on the inside C-pillars.

All the best,
John Cote 



 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stig Molteberg <mopar56@xxxxxxxxx>
To: tehoema@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; lhh225@xxxxxxx; john@xxxxxxxxx; cotejohnr@xxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] a/c


  
    
                  
Well, I have a 56 New Yorker T&C with a rear roof mounted AC. It have all the signs of being factory installed. The pipes are neatly mounted on the frame with professional looking curves. To me it looks impossible that they could be fittet with the body on the frame. All wiring also look factory with the control switch placed exatly in the same spot as other 56 factory AC cars I have seen, to the left from the light switch on the dash. The hole for the switch look perfectly round just like other factory AC cars. I bought the car without engine and with the front clip off the car so no idea about how many blades on the fan. Everything indicates this came like this from the factory, there is no signs of a dealer instalation.

I had a long talk with the late George Merrick in Oregon a few years ago, and he could not recall seeing another 56 wagon with rear mounted AC ever. At that point I think he had 4 56 wagons in his collection. I don't have the IBM card on this car, but if somebody would be interested I will happily provide photos of the VIN tag and body tag. The car is now in storage partly in pieces, but it would be easy to inspect the installation.

The car came from California and are loaded with options

Stig Molteberg, Norway

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: cotejohnr@xxxxxxx 
  To: tehoema@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; lhh225@xxxxxxx ; john@xxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 10:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] a/c

Factory rear "hung" units in wagons were not available from the factory to my knowledge before 1957 or 58. A few years back, a '56 was for sale and thought to be factory A/C because of that rear unit. Being somewhat interested, Chrysler Historical proved that wrong as I got the build sheet from them indicating w/o A/C. I also think the car may have been a Texas car originally and maybe someone there got clever with the overhead A/C installations.

Terry: concerning the air flow......the factory rear hanging A/C units in wagons "suck" the inside air into the center on the unit where the evaporator sits and blowers push the air into the cabin via the smaller round directional holes that face front and rear. This concept was used for many, many years as the units changed very little.

John Cote
  '61 NYer wagon
  '61 Newport wagon
  '60 Windsor wagon........ all with dual factory A/C

-----Original Message-----
  From: Terry & Andree Hoeman <tehoema@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; LHH225 <lhh225@xxxxxxx>; John <john@xxxxxxxxx>
  Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:27 pm
  Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] a/c

The data was from gills build records I'm sure. Nothing else would do.

The wagon unit was huge and filled the width above the seats and down to the 
  window. Believe it brought cabin air in on the sides and pushed it forward 
  in the center just as the cars did but no outside air was used.

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "John" <john@xxxxxxxxx>
  To: "Terry & Andree Hoeman" <tehoema@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
  <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "LHH225" <lhh225@xxxxxxx>
  Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 1:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] a/c

> Hi Terry,
  >
  > Regarding Gil Cunningham's documentation I would have to review my copy to
  > verify the count and the currently known existing examples. What I can 
  > tell
  > you is that more than once people have stated their car is one of the few
  > factory built cars with A/C and there has been no documentation to support
  > such.
  >
  > On to your second paragraph about the wagon A/C I would offer that I've
  > heard a story of something like this before. My question to you is was 
  > the
  > large unit that in sedans of this era which was mounted behind the rear 
  > seat
  > in the trunk mounted on the roof? If so it much have been a real site to
  > behold. Last question is where was the vent to cool the interior located?
  >
  > John Lazenby
  >
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Terry & Andree Hoeman" <tehoema@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  > To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "LHH225" <lhh225@xxxxxxx>; "John"
  > <john@xxxxxxxxx>
  > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 10:41 AM
  > Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] a/c
  >
  >
  >> First off Rich Barber just sent me a copy of an email from Gill 
  >> Cunningham
  >> and he has found documentation for 12 55 300's originally equipped with
  >> AC. Three of them are currently known to be in existence.
  >>
  >> I have seen a 55 or 56 wagon with AC hung over the rear window. It was a
  >> unit specifically fitted to the roof. I expected it was factory at the
  >> time but no proof of course and no idea where the car is now. I'm
  >> thinking it was a 56 Chrysler. It belonged to Al Krenzien in Norfolk Ne.
  >> He only had about 300 Chryslers and Desotos at the max and very few left
  >> when he sadly passed away a few years back.
  >> ----- Original Message ----- 
  >> From: "John" <john@xxxxxxxxx>
  >> To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "LHH225" <lhh225@xxxxxxx>
  >> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:44 AM
  >> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] a/c
  >>
  >>
  >>> Lenny,
  >>>
  >>> There were a very few C300's that were factory equipped with A/C. The
  >>> club maintains the serial numbers of such cars. The truth of the matter
  >>> is there are/were probably more "dealer installations" that the public
  >>> thinks are factory. Besides Imperials for the '55 year I would suspect
  >>> any Chrysler product (with the exception of station wagons) could be
  >>> factory ordered with A/C.
  >>>
  >>> A side note: The air scoops/vents on the rear fenders are not totally
  >>> necessary for air to work. They simply bring in fresh air and can
  >>> manually be closed off via levers within the trunk. In today's world
  >>> this would be referred to as re-circulating the air within the vehicle.
  >>>
  >>> John Lazenby
  >>> C300 - 300B Model Year Consultant
  >>>
  >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
  >>> From: LHH225
  >>> To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  >>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:22 AM
  >>> Subject: [Chrysler300] a/c
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Were any C300's fitted from the factory with A/C units only Imperials
  >>> from the factories
  >>> I was told all were dealer Installed In C300's Lenny N.Y. I HAVE ONE,
  >>> HOLES CUT LOOK LIKE DEALER DONE
  >>>
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