Re: {Chrysler 300} Re: Pre 65 turquoise engine paint

["'ALLAN POZDOL' via Chrysler 300 Club International" <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Herb's/AMS turquoise is formulated for 1965 on as well.


> On 04/11/2025 1:31 PM CDT cbilter@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> 
>  
> I think our engine judges are pretty lenient as long as a factory turquoise engine is still some shade of turquoise.  I think that Mark also noted that the reference sample paint chip didn't perfectly match any sample including the actual original part I supplied.  I'm sure some color variations existed from the factory year to year (and maybe within model year as James suggested as possible).  
> 
> 
> My experience with 440 Turq engine parts (specifically, 1967 Imperial) is that they are the same shade of turquoise as 1963.  I didn't have other years to compare.  
> 
> Carl B.  
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ronald Klinczar" <rjklinczar@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "cbilter" <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "kurt brueske" <kurt.brueske@xxxxxxxxx>, "Chrysler 300 Club International" <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2025 11:45:05 AM
> Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Re: Pre 65 turquoise engine paint
> 
> Carl,
> 
> Beautiful, but did the judges account for color fade on a dark color such
> as this color?
> 
> Ron Klinczar
> '65 300 in Ice Blue
> With Turquoise Engine Paint
> 
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2025, 11:26 AM <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > Last year, I think offline from the listserver, we did some paint
> > comparisons based on input from David Frank.  Long story short, two issues
> > came up:  1) the Hirsch Chrysler Turq paint appears to be more "green" in
> > recent stock than it did 6+ years ago.  It is actually "too green" for a
> > good match.  It also isn't available anymore in rattle cans, but rather
> > only in quarts. In quarts the paint is very thick - you have to thin to
> > spray - but you can brush it as well.  It will brush out nicely.  2)  We
> > couldn't get a good match to factory original parts with ANY of the
> > currently available Chrysler Turq paints.  To Kurt - I can't recall if we
> > tried the Alpine Green.
> >
> > Conclusions: The original recommended match, back in the day, was the
> > Plastikote Chrysler Turq, which is no longer available.  Believe it or not,
> > we found the best match with 1957-58 Pontiac Turquoise from Bill Hirsch.
> > It makes no sense, but multiple eyeballs confirmed this.  At the Omaha
> > meet, I gave the samples to Mark Obermann, and he compared them to the Turq
> > engine paint reference sample from Chrysler used for judging - which has
> > been closely guarded all these years in the executive washroom at Funk &
> > Wagnalls.   Mark agreed - Pontiac Turq was the best match (not perfect, but
> > the closest).
> >
> > What is the difference pre-65 Turquoise vs. post-65?  I have compared
> > original Turq engine parts from my stock both pre-65 and post-65 and they
> > are identical.
> >
> > Here is a photo attached showing sample comparisons against a factory
> > original part and valve covers painted with the old Plastikote Turq.
> >
> > We are splitting hairs and over thinking this topic, but since it
> > resurfaced, this is what we found.
> >
> > Carl B.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "kurt brueske" <kurt.brueske@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Chrysler 300 Club International" <
> > chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2025 8:42:24 PM
> > Subject: {Chrysler 300} Re: Pre 65 turquoise engine paint
> >
> > I’m very happy with the color match of Duplicolor “Detroit Diesel/Alpine
> > Green” you can get at NAPA and elsewhere.  Here is a picture of the spray
> > can top and original bolt off my ‘64 Imperial.  It lays out wonderfully,
> > drys quick and the finish is super durable as I believe the chemistry
> > includes ceramics.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, April 10, 2025 at 7:52:29 PM UTC-5 apozdol wrote:
> >
> > > Well, starting another early turquoise engine paint thread.
> > > Lost my head gaskets and reverse, so out comes the motor and trans for a
> > > rebuild after 93K and sitting indoors for 40 years.
> > >
> > > I have recently tried three different turquoise engine paints, none of
> > > these are really for the pre 65 engines.
> > >
> > > A fellow tells on one of the MOPAR Forum posts that he had years of -
> > back
> > > in the day - painting experience and that the early MOPAR, pre 1965
> > > turquoise was a visible match in all lighting to the 1962 Chrysler
> > Bermuda
> > > Turquoise pictured in the attached picture.
> > >
> > > He also stated that he was told by a MOPAR engineer that the factory
> > used
> > > acrylic enamel on the engines in the '60's. Can anyone confirm this?
> > >
> > > The original paint on my engine seems burned in (acrylic enamel?) and
> > > sludge stained, now more a dark greenish shade of turquoise. And not
> > > matching the newer, blueish tints.
> > >
> > > I do remember as a very young lad a bit surprised that the engine in my
> > > uncle's 1963 Chrysler station wagon (displacement unknown) had a
> > brighter
> > > than normal engine color very close to this, not the blueish colors sold
> > > today for MOPAR turquoise. I joked with my Dad as to why anybody would
> > > paint an engine baby blue! To my eye then.
> > >
> > > I see many state on the MOPAR Forums that the now obsolete MOPAR engine
> > > paint PH4120752 was a match to the early shade. Has anyone used this
> > paint
> > > in the past?
> > >
> > > Nobody is happy with the current offerings for pre 65 colors which all
> > > claim matches "MOPAR turquoise". None of them match each other!
> > >
> > >
> > > Allan
> > >
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