RE: [Chrysler300] 413 engine & trans

["Lee Meyer" <js23rob@xxxxxxx>]

Ok here we go. Anything can be made to work if you are willing to spend
enough effort and$$. I thought the deal was to used this motorhome trans
to replace a cast iron trans. If you are gonna use a later 62-up engine
it will bolt up. But then you have shifter issues and driveshaft issues.
If you can get a swap kit to use the pushbutton shifter then that's ok,
but from what I remember the big truck and motorhome trans is shorter
and does not have a slip yoke. It uses a standard big u-joint yoke with
no slip. The driveshaft has a separate mid slip joint with splines to
handle that. So now you have to use a similar truck type multi piece
shaft to make this work, and since your old shaft is too short you will
have to start with a new shaft tube or use part of the truck shaft or
whatever. There are better solutions. Use a 65 trans, pushbutton
compatible, slip yoke tailshaft and they were installed in EVERY 1965
chrysler product with a big block engine. If you have a 60 or 61 car,
you can still use this trans if you change the engines crankshaft to a
newer 440 part. Then all will work fine, you will just have to deal with
no E brake, or fit a newer axle from a 66-68 C body with e brakes in it.

Chrysler was the king of interchangeability. Any big block engine and
trans from a newer car can be swapped into these fin cars easily all the
way back to 57. No kits needed, just bits from other model Chrysler
imperials for the pre-60 cars. Some e-brake mods and shaft fixes and you
are off to the races.
Lee in San Diego

-----Original Message-----
From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of John J. Hertog
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 6:37 PM
To: Lee Meyer; 'Gary Barker'; 'listserver 300 club'
Subject: [Chrysler300] 413 engine & trans

Hi Lee,

Allow me to pay Devil's Advocate here.
1/ Why would the trans not "work" (bolt up) to a 62 and later crank ?
2/ There is a company that makes a conversion kit for the later
Toqueflites 
to pushbutton operation
3/ Shorten driveshaft

Many, many years ago I obtained a '60 Saratoga  2 door hardtop rolling
car 
w/ no drivetrain in it save for the rear.  I also obtained a 70? 71?
Newport 
car...  had a 400, 727....   I had very little money at the time and
nothing 
better to do so I transplanted the Newport drivetrain into the Saratoga.
It 
was just about a no-brainer !  The engine and trans fit in with NO
WELDING 
and NO MODIFICATIONS !   the '71 Newport drivetrain fit like a glove -
even 
the Y-pipe,  and the driveshaft fit in with no alterations needed. All I

needed to do was figure out a shifter for the trans, and that was about
it !

So I really think that the motor home trans MAY work providing one used
a 
post '61 engine . One may have to shorten a driveshaft...and play wiht
the 
crossmember...   if I had such a trans here I'd love to try it !  Much 
superior setup, probably has heavy duty everything and part-throttle 
kickdown.

John Hertog




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lee Meyer" <js23rob@xxxxxxx>
To: "'Gary Barker'" <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'John J. Hertog'" 
<crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'listserver 300 club'" 
<Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 413 engine & trans


> That trans wont work either, crank to converter issues, non pushbutton
> compatible, different tailshaft setup and length, etc.
> Lee in San Diego
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Gary Barker
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 1:27 PM
> To: John J. Hertog; listserver 300 club
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 413 engine & trans
>
> Hi Guys,  I have a 72  Pace Arrow motor home which is on a Dodge
> Chassis.  Lee was right about the engine, But I have often thought
about
>
> using the tranny  as a replacement for the old cast iron Torqueflight.
> I sure don't know why it wouldn't work and it would be plenty Heavy
Duty
>
> for the job.   Might be a crankshaft / Torque converter problem   Gary
> Barker
>
> John J. Hertog wrote:
>
>>To Lee and all,
>>
>>The person who e-mailed me the ad also sent me pictures of the
>>engine/trans - I barely looked at them.  However, after reading Lee's
> post,
>>I went back and peeked more carefully.   Sure enough - water pump sits
> a lot
>>higher than on any RB motor I've ever seen !
>>
>>Thanks Lee.  Good to learn something new... I was not aware that
> motorhome
>>413's were so different .
>>
>>Interesting to note that the trans. has a parking brake assembly on it
> not
>>unlike our 300's ...  wonder what that is all about...  I had not
> noticed
>>that either...
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Lee Meyer" <js23rob@xxxxxxx>
>>To: "'John J. Hertog'" <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Chrysler 300 Club
>>Listverver'" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 10:08 PM
>>Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 413 engine & trans
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Please be advised that the 413 motorhome engines are NOT useable in
an
>>>automotive application. These engines have completely different cyl
>>>heads and water cooled intake manifolds. Their water pumps are
> installed
>>>higher than the carb, so hood clearance would also be an issue. So,
>>>unless someone needs another motorhome engine, avoid this one.
>>>Lee in San Diego.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>On Behalf Of John J. Hertog
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 5:36 PM
>>>To: Chrysler 300 Club Listverver
>>>Subject: [Chrysler300] 413 engine & trans
>>>
>>>Hi to all,
>>>
>>>Someone recently posted a "want ad" for a 413.  This person read it,
> and
>>>has such a critter for sale. Here is his ad. Anyone interested,
please
>>>reply to him directly at: duncman@xxxxxxxxxxx   !
>>>thanks
>>>John Hertog
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: Duncan & Karen Yahn
>>>To: John J. Hertog
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 8:28 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Chrysler 300
>>>
>>>
>>>Sure.  I was doing a google search on Mopar 413's and came across a
> post
>>>on your group's bb from someone looking for a motor.  I don't have
the
>>>post anymore, but basically I've got a complete '72 413 c.i. with a
> 727
>>>Trans for sale.  Here's the posting I've been spreading around
> complete
>>>with pics:
>>>
>>>
>>>     '72 413 ("RB" big block) Dodge truck motor and 727 auto trans
>>>complete. Runs great! $1000 o.b.o. Removed from wrecked motor home
> with
>>>approx 60,000 miles. Engine probably has less miles than what it came
>>>out of and wasn't damaged in the collision. All parts are there
except
>>>elec harness and accel linkage.  Otherwise the distributor, 4bbl
carb,
>>>all manifolds, air cleaner, A/C compressor, etc, are. Stamp numbers
>>>are... First line: "HT 413" Second line: "4 25 2". If you don't have
a
>>>key handy, this interprets to : 1972 Truck* motor, 413 c.i., built
>>>April, 25th and was the 2nd engine assembled that day. Although it is
> a
>>>little dirty, this engine has been stored out of the elements. Motor
> ran
>>>great while in the motor home and doesn't have any apparent leaks.
> Since
>>>I'm not the original Motor Home owner, the history is a little vague.
>>>Because of over-paint on the valve covers, etc, this may be the
second
>>>engine or the original one rebuilt. Location is in Fort Collins, CO
> for
>>>pickup or engine will be shipped if buyer pays costs for crating and
>>>shipping (approx $300 depending on destination).
>>>
>>>
>>>   * "Truck" designation meant less emission equipment and a cam
>>>designed for more torque.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>There you go,
>>>
>>>Dunc
>>>
>>>
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