[Chrysler300] Re: 413 engine & trans

[Gary Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I agree John,   I think it could be done with very little work.   I 
guess I need to do some checking & measuring.   Gary Barker

John J. Hertog wrote:

> Hi Lee,
>
> Allow me to pay Devil's Advocate here.
> 1/ Why would the trans not "work" (bolt up) to a 62 and later crank ?
> 2/ There is a company that makes a conversion kit for the later 
> Toqueflites to pushbutton operation
> 3/ Shorten driveshaft
>
> Many, many years ago I obtained a '60 Saratoga  2 door hardtop rolling 
> car w/ no drivetrain in it save for the rear.  I also obtained a 70? 
> 71? Newport car...  had a 400, 727....   I had very little money at 
> the time and nothing better to do so I transplanted the Newport 
> drivetrain into the Saratoga.  It was just about a no-brainer !  The 
> engine and trans fit in with NO WELDING and NO MODIFICATIONS !   the 
> '71 Newport drivetrain fit like a glove - even the Y-pipe,  and the 
> driveshaft fit in with no alterations needed. All I needed to do was 
> figure out a shifter for the trans, and that was about it !
>
> So I really think that the motor home trans MAY work providing one 
> used a post '61 engine . One may have to shorten a driveshaft...and 
> play wiht the crossmember...   if I had such a trans here I'd love to 
> try it !  Much superior setup, probably has heavy duty everything and 
> part-throttle kickdown.
>
> John Hertog
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Meyer" <js23rob@xxxxxxx>
> To: "'Gary Barker'" <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'John J. Hertog'" 
> <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'listserver 300 club'" 
> <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 10:25 PM
> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 413 engine & trans
>
>
>> That trans wont work either, crank to converter issues, non pushbutton
>> compatible, different tailshaft setup and length, etc.
>> Lee in San Diego
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Gary Barker
>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 1:27 PM
>> To: John J. Hertog; listserver 300 club
>> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 413 engine & trans
>>
>> Hi Guys,  I have a 72  Pace Arrow motor home which is on a Dodge
>> Chassis.  Lee was right about the engine, But I have often thought about
>>
>> using the tranny  as a replacement for the old cast iron Torqueflight.
>> I sure don't know why it wouldn't work and it would be plenty Heavy Duty
>>
>> for the job.   Might be a crankshaft / Torque converter problem   Gary
>> Barker
>>
>> John J. Hertog wrote:
>>
>>> To Lee and all,
>>>
>>> The person who e-mailed me the ad also sent me pictures of the
>>> engine/trans - I barely looked at them.  However, after reading Lee's
>>
>> post,
>>
>>> I went back and peeked more carefully.   Sure enough - water pump sits
>>
>> a lot
>>
>>> higher than on any RB motor I've ever seen !
>>>
>>> Thanks Lee.  Good to learn something new... I was not aware that
>>
>> motorhome
>>
>>> 413's were so different .
>>>
>>> Interesting to note that the trans. has a parking brake assembly on it
>>
>> not
>>
>>> unlike our 300's ...  wonder what that is all about...  I had not
>>
>> noticed
>>
>>> that either...
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Meyer" <js23rob@xxxxxxx>
>>> To: "'John J. Hertog'" <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Chrysler 300 Club
>>> Listverver'" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 10:08 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 413 engine & trans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Please be advised that the 413 motorhome engines are NOT useable in an
>>>> automotive application. These engines have completely different cyl
>>>> heads and water cooled intake manifolds. Their water pumps are
>>>
>> installed
>>
>>>> higher than the carb, so hood clearance would also be an issue. So,
>>>> unless someone needs another motorhome engine, avoid this one.
>>>> Lee in San Diego.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of John J. Hertog
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 5:36 PM
>>>> To: Chrysler 300 Club Listverver
>>>> Subject: [Chrysler300] 413 engine & trans
>>>>
>>>> Hi to all,
>>>>
>>>> Someone recently posted a "want ad" for a 413.  This person read it,
>>>
>> and
>>
>>>> has such a critter for sale. Here is his ad. Anyone interested, please
>>>> reply to him directly at: duncman@xxxxxxxxxxx   !
>>>> thanks
>>>> John Hertog
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Duncan & Karen Yahn
>>>> To: John J. Hertog
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 8:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Chrysler 300
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure.  I was doing a google search on Mopar 413's and came across a
>>>
>> post
>>
>>>> on your group's bb from someone looking for a motor.  I don't have the
>>>> post anymore, but basically I've got a complete '72 413 c.i. with a
>>>
>> 727
>>
>>>> Trans for sale.  Here's the posting I've been spreading around
>>>
>> complete
>>
>>>> with pics:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     '72 413 ("RB" big block) Dodge truck motor and 727 auto trans
>>>> complete. Runs great! $1000 o.b.o. Removed from wrecked motor home
>>>
>> with
>>
>>>> approx 60,000 miles. Engine probably has less miles than what it came
>>>> out of and wasn't damaged in the collision. All parts are there except
>>>> elec harness and accel linkage.  Otherwise the distributor, 4bbl carb,
>>>> all manifolds, air cleaner, A/C compressor, etc, are. Stamp numbers
>>>> are... First line: "HT 413" Second line: "4 25 2". If you don't have a
>>>> key handy, this interprets to : 1972 Truck* motor, 413 c.i., built
>>>> April, 25th and was the 2nd engine assembled that day. Although it is
>>>
>> a
>>
>>>> little dirty, this engine has been stored out of the elements. Motor
>>>
>> ran
>>
>>>> great while in the motor home and doesn't have any apparent leaks.
>>>
>> Since
>>
>>>> I'm not the original Motor Home owner, the history is a little vague.
>>>> Because of over-paint on the valve covers, etc, this may be the second
>>>> engine or the original one rebuilt. Location is in Fort Collins, CO
>>>
>> for
>>
>>>> pickup or engine will be shipped if buyer pays costs for crating and
>>>> shipping (approx $300 depending on destination).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   * "Truck" designation meant less emission equipment and a cam
>>>> designed for more torque.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There you go,
>>>>
>>>> Dunc
>>>>
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