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Topics in this digest:
1. RE: 300C/D Patrol Cars
From: "Vath, Michael J." <mjvath@xxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: 300M special??
From: "MGalassi" <C300lover@xxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: 300M Special & Horsepower
From: "Magik Draggin'" <longrammopar@xxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Repairing old radios
From: "John Peabody" <Jpeabo@xxxxxxx>
5. RE: 300C/D Patrol Cars
From: "Magik Draggin'" <longrammopar@xxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: 300C/D Patrol Cars
From: paulholm <paulholm@xxxxxxxx>
7. Re: 300C/D Patrol Cars
From: dan300f@xxxxxxx
8. Re: 300C/D Patrol Cars
From: "Larry Carrel" <300fan@xxxxxxxxxx>
9. Re: 300C/D Patrol Cars
From: MOPARMAN3@xxxxxxx
10. Re: 300M Special & Horsepower <LONG RANT>
From: "Thomas Miller" <tfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: 300C/D Patrol Cars
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:00:24 -0500
From: "Vath, Michael J." <mjvath@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: 300C/D Patrol Cars
some odd questions:
Was there indeed a 361 crossram available? Is this the same block-type that later was used in the '62 inline dual quad Polaras, etc? Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: Jess [mailto:jdmiklas@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:10 PM
To: DAN300F@xxxxxxx; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; moparpjf@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300C/D Patrol Cars
MANY years ago I dismantled a 1960 OHIO State Patrol Car.
It was a full size DODGE - a DART or a PHOENIX 4-door sedan - with a 383
crossram engine. It had a lot of heavy duty "police goodies" but I swear it
had only a TWO-SPEED automatic trans (Only 4 buttons) Been told many times
that I'm wrong but didn't keep the transmission. Of course wish NOW I had
kept the car intact.
Jeff Miklas
----- Original Message -----
From: <moparpjf@xxxxxxx>
To: <DAN300F@xxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300C/D Patrol Cars
> HI Guys:
>
> I know that the NJ troopers used the cross ram set up in 1964, and I
know
> a trooper who drove them then, but I think thr cars were all 4 door
models,
> as are virtually all police cars. I think they had our engines in the
four
> door models, along with the heavy duty suspension, etc. Probably cost as
> much as a letter car, but they were utilitarian vehicles, nonetheless.
>
> Pete Fitch
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:20:17 -0800
From: "MGalassi" <C300lover@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300M special??
Considering I own both a 55 and 2001, I whole heartedly agree!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Vaughan" <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300M special??
> Working for GM!!!
>
> Don't forget though that due to change in the method
> of calculating horsepower(gross vs. net) from then and
> now a C300 would probably be less that the "M" in Net
> HP!
>
> 300ly
>
> Russ Vaughan
>
>
>
> --- Bruce Paul <b_paul_ncp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I am waiting for the new 300's to get back to 300
> > HP.
> > Where is Bob Lutz when you need him?
> >
> > Bruce Paul-Cherry Hill, NJ
> >
> >
> > --- mwl1967@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > I don't know where they're going with this or what
> > > they're pretending to do
> > > but 255hp sure doesnt seem so "special" to me.
> > This
> > > considering the fact
> > > that my '99 was rated at 253hp and that somewhere
> > > between then and now they
> > > changed the standard rating from 253 down to 250.
> > >
> > > So... with the addition of dual exhaust and
> > moving
> > > the peak hp reading up a
> > > couple hundred rpm they've gained 2 hp. What a
> > > feeble attempt... I wonder
> > > who' in Auburn Hills is responsible for dropping
> > > this ball. I sure hope I
> > > don't try to pass one of those new 250hp 6 speed
> > > Nissan Altimas.
> > >
> > > Mike Laiserin
> > >
> > >
> >
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:04:45 -0600
From: "Magik Draggin'" <longrammopar@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300M Special & Horsepower
I've said this before and just to be redundant, I'll say it again. I had
the opportunity to firsthand see just what the 300M could do when the driver
of one decided to get bushy-tailed with me and my "G" one fine afternoon.
With a 1/4 tank of pure 110 octane camII fuel in the tank, this fellow
pulled up next to me at a country highway traffic light and stomped on it
when the light turned green. Even with the advantage of that jump off the
line, I caught him at about 50mph and pulled him by better than 2 car
lengths at 70 before he backed off.
At the next light, I was waiting for him and nailed it as soon as the light
turned green. Sorry, but he didn't have a chance and backed off well before
60 mph. We pulled off at a convenience store up the road a bit and once he
took a gander at the ram inducted 413 and those twin fours, he just shook
his head and said, "no wonder".
There certainly wasn't any "drivers skill" factor here are both cars were
automatics and all one had to do was "punch it" and point the nose forward
down the boulevard. Maybe some factory prepared "M" could be made to outrun
my "G", but THAT one couldn't.
For 35 grand, I am not impressed, even if it IS a Chrysler. Now, I was
impressed at that Jag out at the Keystone drag strip, that for the same
amount of money as the "M", was turning low 14's and 101 mph at the lights.
Karl
From: Russ Vaughan <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Jeff,
What pulls the vehicle around is TORQUE - NOT
horsepower!
A 300M is about three seconds faster in the quarter than a C300. With
47 LESS horsepower, hows it do that?
300ly
Russ Vaughan
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:20:43 -0500
From: "John Peabody" <Jpeabo@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Repairing old radios
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:32:46 -0600
From: "Magik Draggin'" <longrammopar@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: 300C/D Patrol Cars
The 361 Ram D500 option was the "standard" ram available on the '60 Dodge,
with the 383 Ram as an option. I don't believe the (that) 361 was still
available in 62, having been displaced (replaced) entirely by the 383.
Karl
>From: "Vath, Michael J." <mjvath@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 300C/D Patrol Cars
>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:00:24 -0500
>
>some odd questions:
>Was there indeed a 361 crossram available? Is this the same block-type that
>later was used in the '62 inline dual quad Polaras, etc? Thanks
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jess [mailto:jdmiklas@xxxxxxx]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:10 PM
>To: DAN300F@xxxxxxx; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; moparpjf@xxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300C/D Patrol Cars
>
>
>MANY years ago I dismantled a 1960 OHIO State Patrol Car.
>It was a full size DODGE - a DART or a PHOENIX 4-door sedan - with a 383
>crossram engine. It had a lot of heavy duty "police goodies" but I swear
>it
>had only a TWO-SPEED automatic trans (Only 4 buttons) Been told many times
>that I'm wrong but didn't keep the transmission. Of course wish NOW I had
>kept the car intact.
>
>Jeff Miklas
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <moparpjf@xxxxxxx>
>To: <DAN300F@xxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300C/D Patrol Cars
>
>
> > HI Guys:
> >
> > I know that the NJ troopers used the cross ram set up in 1964, and I
>know
> > a trooper who drove them then, but I think thr cars were all 4 door
>models,
> > as are virtually all police cars. I think they had our engines in the
>four
> > door models, along with the heavy duty suspension, etc. Probably cost
>as
> > much as a letter car, but they were utilitarian vehicles, nonetheless.
> >
> > Pete Fitch
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 21:39:48 -0500
From: paulholm <paulholm@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300C/D Patrol Cars
Magik Draggin' wrote:
>
> The 361 Ram D500 option was the "standard" ram available on the '60
> Dodge, with the 383 Ram as an option. I don't believe the (that)
> 361 was still available in 62, having been displaced (replaced)
> entirely by the 383.
> Karl
HUMM, I have NOT run off to check this out BUT whilst scrounging
at a local boneyard I ran across a 62 Newport with a 361 still
in it, largley still intact except for the rustout.
--
Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:55:54 EST
From: dan300f@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: 300C/D Patrol Cars
I had a '62 Newport Conv. that had a 361 engine it. So it was still
available in 1962.
Dan Reitz
Northridge, CA
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:06:49 -0800
From: "Larry Carrel" <300fan@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300C/D Patrol Cars
My 62 Polara had a 361 Hi-Po. It was a big block, as I guess they all were.
I don't remember the specs. on the engine, but it would run pretty good.
Larry Carrel
The 361 Ram D500 option was the "standard" ram available on the '60 Dodge,
with the 383 Ram as an option. I don't believe the (that) 361 was still
available in 62, having been displaced (replaced) entirely by the 383.
Karl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Magik Draggin'" <longrammopar@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <mjvath@xxxxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 300C/D Patrol Cars
> The 361 Ram D500 option was the "standard" ram available on the '60 Dodge,
> with the 383 Ram as an option. I don't believe the (that) 361 was still
> available in 62, having been displaced (replaced) entirely by the 383.
>
> Karl
>
> >From: "Vath, Michael J." <mjvath@xxxxxxxxx>
> >To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 300C/D Patrol Cars
> >Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:00:24 -0500
> >
> >some odd questions:
> >Was there indeed a 361 crossram available? Is this the same block-type
that
> >later was used in the '62 inline dual quad Polaras, etc? Thanks
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jess [mailto:jdmiklas@xxxxxxx]
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:10 PM
> >To: DAN300F@xxxxxxx; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; moparpjf@xxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300C/D Patrol Cars
> >
> >
> >MANY years ago I dismantled a 1960 OHIO State Patrol Car.
> >It was a full size DODGE - a DART or a PHOENIX 4-door sedan - with a 383
> >crossram engine. It had a lot of heavy duty "police goodies" but I swear
> >it
> >had only a TWO-SPEED automatic trans (Only 4 buttons) Been told many
times
> >that I'm wrong but didn't keep the transmission. Of course wish NOW I had
> >kept the car intact.
> >
> >Jeff Miklas
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <moparpjf@xxxxxxx>
> >To: <DAN300F@xxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:10 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300C/D Patrol Cars
> >
> >
> > > HI Guys:
> > >
> > > I know that the NJ troopers used the cross ram set up in 1964, and
I
> >know
> > > a trooper who drove them then, but I think thr cars were all 4 door
> >models,
> > > as are virtually all police cars. I think they had our engines in the
> >four
> > > door models, along with the heavy duty suspension, etc. Probably cost
> >as
> > > much as a letter car, but they were utilitarian vehicles, nonetheless.
> > >
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:36:00 EST
From: MOPARMAN3@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: 300C/D Patrol Cars
Hi all,
361's were available through the '66 model year..even saw some in
Chargers that year. The '62 model year was more or less the last hurrah for
an HP version,at least having a 4bbl anyway, being supplanted by the 383 as
mentioned by another member. 1962 was a cool year, they offered the 4 BBL
version, and also a limitied 2X4BBLs in I guess a dealer installed package (
in the "B"body only it seems)...NHRA supposedly recognizes it and its brother
the 343hp 383. There were alot of little known packages that year...the 390hp
413 2x4 bbls (allegedly only offered in the Dodge line), which was short
lived due to the Max Wedge package released in the spring of '62. Factory
sales literature was dreadfully outdated the minute the cars were released
for sale. In the case of Plymouth, most of the performance packages were
never in print for the public to peruse...things were in a constant state of
flux it seems. Ahh, those were the days. 300ly, Dan Jenks
'62 Sport Fury
'62 Fury wagon
'62 Fury- 4dr.
'68 Coronet R/T Hemi
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 00:55:21 -0500
From: "Thomas Miller" <tfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300M Special & Horsepower <LONG RANT>
All right, I can't stay out of this one any longer.....
I'm 42 years old, and currently own a nice 300C, a 300M that's logged 50,000 miles, an all original 1970 440+6 'Cuda, an '89 Maserati TC, and a Dodge RAM pickup truck. I've also had the good fortune in the last 27 years to have been in and out all of the following and some more that I can't seem to remember right now:
'49 Dodge Wayfarer Roadster (D30 Flathead 6)
'62 Imperial Southampton
'62 Dodge Dart 330 (My first car!) (Polyshperical 318)
'64 Ponitac Catalina (389 4 bbl)
'66 Imperial Crown (Originally owned by TV Evangelist Rex Humbard......)
'67 Chrysler 300 Convertible (440 4bbl.)
'67 Plymouth Fury III convertible (318 2 bbl.)
'68 Dodge Dart GTS (383 4 bbl.)
'68 Pontiac Firebird (326 2bbl.)
'68 Chevrolet Biscayne Station Wagon (307 2bbl.)
'69 Mercury Marauder X100 (429 4bbl.)
'69 Plymouth GTX Convertible (440 4bbl.)
'69 Dodge Charger Daytona (440 4bbl.)
'70 Plymouth Superbird 440+6
'70 Plymouth Sport Fury GT (Distant relative to the Chrysler 300 Hurst)
'70 Plymouth Duster Slant Six
'70 AMC Gremlin (no laughing please)
'70 Plymouth Roadrunner Convertible (a 383 4bbl. in Plum Crazy Purple no less!)
'71 DeTomaso Pantera (351Cleveland ZF 5spd)
'71 Plymouth 'Cuda (383 4 bbl. 4 spd.)
'74 Dodge Charger SE (318 2bbl.)
'79 Chrysler Cordoba (a real stripper, but w/ a 360 2bbl.)
'79 Dodge Magnum (360 2bbl.)
'81 Chrysler Imperial (318 f.i.)
'85 Dodge Daytona (2.2l turbocharged)
'85 Chrysler New Yorker 5th Avenue (318 2bbl.)
'87 Shelby Lancer (2.2l intercooled turbocharged)
'87 Chrysler New Yorker 5th Avenue (318 2bbl.)
'88 DeTomaso Pantera GT5s (Nitrous Oxide Injected 351 Cleveland ZF 5spd.)
'94 Dodge RAM Pickup (318 f.i.)
'95 Chrysler LHS (3.5l f.i.)
'96 Dodge RAM Quad Cab Pickup (360 f.i.)
'97 Eagle Vision TSi (3.5l f.i. Autostick)
'01 Chrysler PT Cruiser
Ok, ok, I know it's a long list and it looks like I'm bragging. Well, I sort of am, but not about the cars. I've been fortunate enough over the years to have been able to live automotive history practically a year at a time in some cases. I've thoroughly enjoyed every one of these cars (yes, even the Gremlin!) I listed them here in chronological order, not in order of my possession; to point out the amazing differences you see in cars that are even just 5 years apart. Take the Dodge Wayfarer for instance. It was a true roadster with pop-out Plexiglas side curtains, a manual drop top and no back seat. I think Dodge only sold about 300 of them before they switched to roll up windows. It was an absolute dog by today's standards. The flat 6 and fluid drive trans were a horrid combination. But just 6 years later, the C300 came along. What a different car! Right? I dearly loved the Imperials I had. The late 60s muscle cars were a blast too. Even the Charger Daytona and the Plymouth Superbird had their subtle differences (I owned both of these cars at the same time.... It was fun to compare and contrast the same aero ideas cropped onto a Roadrunner and a Charger, sort of the same but still very different!)
Ok, so where am I going with this? Here goes. A '57 300C cost around $5000.00 new. My 440+6 'Cuda stickered for around $5000.00. The stripped down '79 Cordoba, yep around $5000. How much did cars change from '57, to '70 to '79? Loads. In lots of ways. The sheer volume of automobiles sold in the United States has gone up exponentially from the "old days" till now. 300C production was less than 3000 cars total. I think Chrysler sold around 30,000 'Cudas and Challengers in 1970. Cordobas in '79? I don't remember but it was a bunch. I think Chrysler met their goal of selling 160,000 PT Cruisers in the '01 model year. (Where the hell did they all go?!) So, the point here, LARGE differences in the number of cars sold.
The way cars are sold has changed significantly. I remember as a kid in the small Eastern Ohio town of 5000 that I grew up in, we had a Ford/Mercury agency, a Dodge agency, a Chevrolet Dealer, and a Chrysler- Plymouth Dealer. What's the difference? The "agencies" were lucky to have 10 cars in stock. The "dealers" easily had 30 or 40 cars in stock. Remember when the new model year always started around September and the dealer showrooms would be cordoned off with cars covered until announcement day? It sure isn't like that today is it?!
Ok, so what's my point? The point is, you can't really compare a 300C to a 300M. They're two different cars, for two different times. I love 'em both. The C puts as much of a grin on my face as the M does. You also can't compare production numbers from the different eras directly. Frankly, I think Chrysler was lucky to unload 3000 300Cs in the '57 model year. To me, that car was sort of a Dodge Viper in its day (both in price and performance). So, is 8000 M Specials a "limited" run? Well, it sure is compared to 160,000 PT Cruisers, and I think in perspective it's in the same boat as 3000 300Cs when you consider overall production and how the demand for cars has changed in 45 years.
I go to the North American International Auto Show in Detroit every year. In Jan. of '98, my wife and I poked and prodded every large sedan there was, foreign & domestic. Yes even the Cadillacs and Lincolns, Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, Acura,etc. Hmmm. another point. There's a whale of a lot more to choose from these days than there was back in the 50s. But again, I emphasize, nothing came close to the 300M in overall room, performance and style in that price range. We bought the 300M later that year. Is there any other car that comes close to the M in the $25,000 - $55,000 price range. I can categorically say no. Nothing touches that car today in that price range. BTW, I'm seeing 2002 300Ms going for around $26,000 here in Columbus Ohio. That's a bargain in my book.
By the way Karl, the Jaguar XK8 convertible starts at around $75,000 and goes to about $95,000. (See : http://www.edmunds.com/new/2001/jaguar/xkseries/xk82drconvertible40l8cyl5a/prices.html ) It better turn low 14s at that price. Hmmmm..... How much does a Viper cost? Yeah, there we go. Another winner from the Chrysler camp! <grin>
All right, the caboose to this train of thought is that cars, people and our country have drastically changed since World War II. I know I was just as proud of my 300M the day it came home as the guy who first brought my 300C home in June of 1957 and the suave debonair dude that first cruised the streets in that '49 Wayfarer I once had. I know we all satisfied an urge for something special, with cars that involve sort of the same spirit, but are three totally different cars for three totally different times. It was a big moment for me.
I'm just as proud of my M as I am my C and all of the other cars that I now and have had the good fortune of owning. Can I pick just one of them out as my favorite? No. I liked them all for various reasons (and again YES even the Gremlin!) I don't think we can compare the old with the new. They're just different! I appreciate them for what they were in history, and know that I'm making today's history!
Best Regards to all,
Thomas F. Miller
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>>> "Magik Draggin'" <longrammopar@xxxxxxxxxxx> 11/01/01 09:04PM >>>
I've said this before and just to be redundant, I'll say it again. I had
the opportunity to firsthand see just what the 300M could do when the driver
of one decided to get bushy-tailed with me and my "G" one fine afternoon.
With a 1/4 tank of pure 110 octane camII fuel in the tank, this fellow
pulled up next to me at a country highway traffic light and stomped on it
when the light turned green. Even with the advantage of that jump off the
line, I caught him at about 50mph and pulled him by better than 2 car
lengths at 70 before he backed off.
At the next light, I was waiting for him and nailed it as soon as the light
turned green. Sorry, but he didn't have a chance and backed off well before
60 mph. We pulled off at a convenience store up the road a bit and once he
took a gander at the ram inducted 413 and those twin fours, he just shook
his head and said, "no wonder".
There certainly wasn't any "drivers skill" factor here are both cars were
automatics and all one had to do was "punch it" and point the nose forward
down the boulevard. Maybe some factory prepared "M" could be made to outrun
my "G", but THAT one couldn't.
For 35 grand, I am not impressed, even if it IS a Chrysler. Now, I was
impressed at that Jag out at the Keystone drag strip, that for the same
amount of money as the "M", was turning low 14's and 101 mph at the lights.
Karl
From: Russ Vaughan <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Jeff,
What pulls the vehicle around is TORQUE - NOT
horsepower!
A 300M is about three seconds faster in the quarter than a C300. With
47 LESS horsepower, hows it do that?
300ly
Russ Vaughan
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:25:49 -0800 (PST)
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300C/D Patrol Cars
Wasn't the 361 2bbl available until 1966?
I think it was the base BB in the 66 Charger.
--- dan300f@xxxxxxx wrote:
> I had a '62 Newport Conv. that had a 361 engine it.
> So it was still
> available in 1962.
>
> Dan Reitz
> Northridge, CA
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