Re: [FWDLK] Carbs

[Eastern Sierra Adjustment Svc <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Since we're discussing the observation of ANY faked/cloned/tribute/replica
dual-carbureted  model, there are certain tell-tales that are evident to 
an experienced
observer.

In the 1958-series of dual-carbureted models, there, fortunately, are 
several
items which are difficult to obtain and to install, as part of the 
'cloning' process.

Among them are the unique dual-4-barrel-carbureted  passenger's side 
exhaust
manifold and the correct fuel lines/connections to it, and, of course, 
the correct
date-coded AFB carburetors.

The subject Regal Lancer, besides being factory-coded as a Single-4 
model, did not have
the correct exhaust manifold and its fuel line was, initially, a length 
of rubber hose.

Its owner has, subsequently, installed a dual-carb exhaust manifold on 
it, but I have
photos of it showing the single-carb manifold on it; I don't know if he 
has arranged
to install date-coded carb tags on it (which are now, unfortunately, 
being re-popped).

Neil Vedder



Wayne Graefen wrote:
> My 300F Special GT is coded as JUST a standard 375HP, torqueflite card 
> and the IBM card states the same thing.  BUT like all Specials, it 
> left the assembly line and went to "Header House" and was factory 
> modified.   And that made it SPECIAL.
>  
> The 300F Special GT Convertible that Milton Robson just sold for 
> $437,250 also has a plain old production record.
>  
> The cars /chassis that went to Ghia for their work all have standard 
> paperwork but huge special enhancements after production that multiply 
> their rarity and value.
>  
> Just because it ain't on the data tag or the IBM doesn't mean diddly 
> squat.
>  
> Think about the Dual Ghia Dodges so this hits closer to home for you, 
> Neil.
>  
> W
>  
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Eastern Sierra Adjustment Svc <mailto:esierraadj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>     *To:* Wayne Graefen <mailto:wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, December 07, 2010 1:23 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [FWDLK] Carbs
>
>     Aivar's problem is that the car is CODED for being a single-4 model.
>     On the P/T plate and on its IBM card, and, IIRC---gotta look it up,
>     on its BROADCAST SHEET, too.
>
>     Bummer.
>
>     He also bought it in its Single-4 condition.
>
>     Facts are a bitch, I know.....it's still a D500, however!
>
>
>
>     Wayne Graefen wrote:
>     > So I asked Aivar Lejins last night what he knows about his Regal
>     > (which is White /Gold by the way) and here is his response.  It
>     is my
>     > contention that REGARDLESS of the code on the car's data plate and
>     > build record, as an Auto Show SPECIAL, this car very well could
>     have
>     > been equipped WHEN NEW with the dual quad Super D500 equipment. 
>     Maybe
>     > that was done after the assembly line but at the factory "fix"
>     > building.  Maybe the conversion was done at a Miami dealer in
>     prep for
>     > the show.  Maybe the previous owner put them on.
>     > 
>     > I just know that the car was dual quad when Aivar bought it and
>     drove
>     > it home from Florida to California.    We report you decide.
>     > 
>     > Wayne
>     >
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     > 
>     > Hi Wayne,
>     > I bought the car with dual quads on it from the second owner. He
>     said
>     > that the original owner had taken them off to improve the gas
>     mileage.
>     > Neil feels that the car originally came with a single quad and is a
>     > genuine D500 not a Super D500. Personally, to be honest, I don't
>     know.
>     > All I know is that this awesome and rare car made it from Saint
>     Lucie
>     > Florida to Monrovia Ca. without any problems with the air
>     conditioning
>     > working.
>     > 
>     > Aivar.
>     > 
>     >
>     >     ----- Original Message -----
>     >     *From:* Eastern Sierra Adjustment Svc
>     <mailto:esierraadj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>     >     *Sent:* Monday, December 06, 2010 3:36 PM
>     >     *Subject:* Re: Carbs
>     >
>     >     Mr. Lejins' car is NOT an OEM Super D500 model.
>     >
>     >     It IS a real, heavily-optioned,  Single-4  D500 Regal Lancer,
>     >     (Bronze-on-White body) which allegedly may have been a
>     >     Florida 'Show Car', originally.
>     >
>     >     Mr. Lejins had its current two four barrel carb set-up be
>     installed
>     >     on it sometime after he purchased the car.
>     >
>     >     Although some were undoubtedly built, no known Super D500 Regals
>     >     are known to exist, of the 1,163 which were built, in one of the
>     >     4-available
>     >     color schemes, and, altho there is presently no known production
>     >     break-outs
>     >     between those four color combinations, I happen to believe
>     that the
>     >     rarest color
>     >     combination may be the Black-on-Bronze body scheme, from my
>     >     observations
>     >     of the surviving examples of them.
>     >
>     >
>     >     Neil Vedder
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     Wayne Graefen wrote:
>     >     > Aivar Lejins of CA has a Super D500, dual quad '58 Regal
>     >     Lancer.  The
>     >     > car he purchased at least a dozen years ago is equipped with
>     >     virtually
>     >     > every factory option and is thought by some (including me)
>     to have
>     >     > been the Dodge show car at the 1958 Miami Auto Show.   Aivar
>     >     purchased
>     >     > the car when it appeared on the cover (as I recall) of Mopar
>     >     > Collector's Guide.  It is a FABULOUS car with fantastic
>     original
>     >     interior.
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >     ----- Original Message -----
>     >     >     *From:* charles nelson <mailto:modelrcer@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >     >     *Sent:* Sunday, December 05, 2010 3:57 AM
>     >     >     *Subject:* Carbs
>     >     >
>     >     >     I have a question about the 1958 Dodge Regal Lancer. 
>     Was it
>     >     ever
>     >     >     a D500? Did it ever have the 2x4 carbs and if so on what
>     >     engines?
>     >     >    
>     >     >     Thanks
>     >     >     Mack
>     >     >
>     >     >    
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