Re: [FWDLK] Fw: [FWDLK] Anybody parting out a 55 or a 56 Windsor, or a 56 Dodge w/the 270 Poly engine?

[Dave Homstad <dhomstad@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Gary, 

I beg to differ on the availability of speed parts for the Dodge 241 through 325 Hemi/Poly engine series. Aside from the 2, 4, and 2 x 4 bbl intake manifolds offered from the factory, Weiand and Offenhauser offered numerous aluminum maifolds in 2 x 2, 3 x 2, 4 x 2, 2 x 4 configurations. These are interchangeable between Hemi and Poly engines. The multi 2 bbl versions were available for both the 3 bolt and 4 bolt carbs. The Offy versions are still available from Offy today, after more than 50 years. 

The factory had rocker arms for solid lifter cams and rocker covers with clearance bumps for the adjusters. There are still aftermarket cast aluminum rocker covers. Various other aluminum parts, such as valley covers and fuel pump block-off covers. Hot Heads has been adding to the variety today, with such things as conversions to Chevy small block water pumps. A couple of sources still make block hugger headers. 

Cams used to be more available 50 years ago, but you can always have one made to your own specs. There is an unused one from the old days on eBay right now with .500 lift and 290 degrees duration. A bit wild for the street. 

I am sure that in 1960, there were many more speed parts for the Dodge engine than the 318. But since it was discontinued after 1959 because the new A series engines were cheaper to build, speed parts development went to newer designs and bigger engines. So today, after 50 years, it is harder to find parts for the Dodge engines. The 318 engines have benefited today from a longer production life and from being related to the 340 and 360 high performance engines. 

But I would still rather have a HEMI! 

Dave Homstad 
56 Dodge D500 

---- Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx> wrote: 
> > Roger,
> >
> > Yes, I think any printed material is subservient to the progress of the 
> > new Plymouth engine plant opening up as well as the myriad of changes that 
> > took place during the production process.  I suppose that data was 
> > collected and surmised well in advance of the book's Fall printing.
> >
> > There are many 277 Ply's with two barrel carbs that I have seen, driven, 
> > and purchased since 1969.  It was hard to find a 277 four barrel engine 
> > though - found one in a '56 wagon a few blocks from the church I attended.
> >
> > Yes, the 277-318 Poly is a very reliable and powerful engine when "built." 
> > Surprisingly, there are a plethora of speed parts for the 318 Poly 
> > compared to the 270-325 Dodge Poly, even when in HEMI form.
> >
> > Gary
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jan & Roger van Hoy" <vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Gary Pavlovich" <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
> > Cc: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Anybody parting out a 55 or a 56 Windsor, or a 56 
> > Dodge w/the 270 Poly engine?
> >
> >
> >> I've got the Ross Roy data book that came out in the fall of 1955, it 
> >> says the Plaza and Savoy V-8's with two barrel would have the 270 cid 
> >> engine. My ol' maid aunt bought her first new car at 45 years old, 
> >> delivered spring, 1956, a '56 Savoy sport coupe without sportone; it had 
> >> the 270 cid engine. All '55 Plymouth V-8's were Dodge engines, smaller 
> >> displacement of 241 cid or 260 cid.
> >>
> >> But never say never, perhaps there was a running change some time during 
> >> the year when the new Plymouth engine plant got up to speed.  I've got a 
> >> spare engine from Nathan Nuttall, it's a 277 2v, I think he took it out 
> >> of a Savoy.
> >>
> >> From personal experience, the 277 is a whole lot better engine than the 
> >> 241-260-270 Dodge/Plymouth poly engine.
> >>
> >> --Roger van Hoy
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Gary Pavlovich" <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
> >> To: "Jan & Roger van Hoy" <vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:59 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Anybody parting out a 55 or a 56 Windsor, or a 56 
> >> Dodge w/the 270 Poly engine?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Roger,
> >>>
> >>> The '56 Ply Savoy 2bbl. motors also came with the "new" 277 Plymouth 
> >>> Poly -
> >>> I am certain w/o any doubt.
> >>>
> >>> I am the second owner of my '56 Ply 277; bought it off Mr. Benson 
> >>> through
> >>> his mechanic down the street back in the summer of 1969 for $250 with 
> >>> 66,700
> >>> original miles on it. I put about 100,000+ miles on it and it is now 
> >>> under
> >>> re-construction.
> >>>
> >>> If anyone has the master cylinder firewall plate, please e-mail me as I
> >>> mis-placed/buried mine somewhere in my 70 banana boxes of parts and it 
> >>> would
> >>> be easier to buy it from someone than dig...
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>> Gary Pavlovich
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Jan & Roger van Hoy" <vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: "Gary Pavlovich" <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>; 
> >>> <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:32 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Anybody parting out a 55 or a 56 Windsor, or a 56 
> >>> Dodge
> >>> w/the 270 Poly engine?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> '56 Plymouth Savoy 2 barrel V-8's supposedly only came with the 270 cid
> >>>> poly carryover from '55 Dodge.  The Savoys and Plazas with 4 barrel and
> >>>> station wagons came with the 277, which was the new style poly that 
> >>>> later
> >>>> was bored out to 301 and 318.  The Belvedere V-8's came with only the 
> >>>> 277.
> >>>>
> >>>> So are we all on the same page?  The 270's can be identified by the
> >>>> scallops on the bottom of the valve covers, and by the raised intake 
> >>>> and
> >>>> separate valley pan.
> >>>>
> >>>> --Roger van Hoy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>> From: "Gary Pavlovich" <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 2:11 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Anybody parting out a 55 or a 56 Windsor, or a 56
> >>>> Dodge w/the 270 Poly engine?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Neil,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The '56 distributor is from the 277 Poly 2bbl. engine.  I am not 100%
> >>>>> certain of the crossover as the 270 Poly is a Dodge engine; I would
> >>>>> suggest
> >>>>> querying the FLL.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gary
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>> From: "Eastern Sierra Adjustment Svc" <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> To: "Gary Pavlovich" <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 2:03 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Anybody parting out a 55 or a 56 Windsor, or a 56
> >>>>> Dodge
> >>>>> w/the 270 Poly engine?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Gary, that 56 Savoy 301 V/8 dissie should work, huh?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does/did it come off of a 4-bbl engine?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gary Pavlovich wrote:
> >>>>>>> Neil,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have a single point distributor from my '56 Ply Savoy w/277 V-8 
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> in good running condition (no cap) and comes with a NOS breaker 
> >>>>>>> plate
> >>>>>>> assembly mechanism (entire top plate/points/condensor/wiring...)  if
> >>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>> choose to rebuild it.  Let me know if you are interested; $40 plus
> >>>>>>> shpg.
> >>>>>>> to you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>>> Gary Pavlovich
> >>>>>>> CA
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eastern Sierra Adjustment Svc"
> >>>>>>> <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:32 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: [FWDLK] Anybody parting out a 55 or a 56 Windsor, or a 56
> >>>>>>> Dodge
> >>>>>>> w/the 270 Poly engine?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Looking for a rebuildable distributor from one of them.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Neil Vedder
> >>>>>>>>
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