When it comes to questions of "how to judge" a car or a situation that has not come up before, I have found it very helpful every time to look "upscale" at how it is handled with the great marquees. So in this case of a created or "phantom" (the new term) model, I would apply what the Classic Car Club of America has found it necessary to do over the years. In that club's case, they know that VIN #XXXXXX '34 Packard came from the factory as, lets say, a 12 cyl. coupe. The car is now being shown as a LeBaron bodied roadster (newly created body) and the few of those that were actually built are all accounted for. The car is welcome to be judged on its own merits but is placed in a class called "Non-Authentic". This would work really well for example with the '57 DeSoto Fireflite that was for sale as an Adventurer convertible at the Barrett-Jackson auction last January, or for a '55 Fury or '56 Town and Country woody. This is why DOCUMENTATION is so important to a car; especially one that is rare or limited production or a factory one-off like the Keller '55 Imperial convertible. Might Chrysler have mocked-up a '55 "Fury" to test the concept? Yes, they might have. Did Chrysler build a handful of '56 Windsor convertibles into 300B-like cars to gauge public opinion before bringing out the first 300 convertible in '57? It is thought that they DID! So if that phantom whatever does show up for judging, there needs to be a Non-Authentic Class for it, or it needs to bring documentation to prove its authenticity. My $.02 -- well maybe that's worth a whole nickel. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: brian [mailto:xm2cars@xxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 4:49 AM Subject: Purist Question to ponder!! In light of the current discussion thread about the '61 DeSoto convertible's heritage, here is something to think about. What would you folks think about a car that may be immaculate in every way and perhaps even so authentic looking it would be hard to decipher as different from factory built - yet that particular model never existed! A car such as a: '55 Fury, '99 LHS convertible, '56 T&C woody, or others etc. Would this be a problem car to anyone? (a negative reaction) Should this car be eligible to enter in a show as an "ABC model of a DEF" make and judged with the other models of that make as long as it was described as non-authentic? Would you accept it as an automotive creation that should be judged on its own merits? Brian D500s in MI
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