Sure I watched the video.
The usual muck raking from Fox News.
I also did a Bing search
& found a lot more information, maybe you should have done a little
research as well.
This was on the Snopes
Site:
The
possibility exists that an E10 customer who uses a pump directly after an E15
customer might receive as much as a third of a gallon of E15 from residual
fuel remaining in the fueling hose, to adverse effect. It is unlikely that
such a relatively small amount of residual E15 mixed into a gas tank of E10
could cause problems for standard automobiles, but it may potentially be an
issue for gasoline-powered vehicles and equipment with smaller fuel tanks,
such as motorcycles, ATVs, chain saws, and lawn mowers.
Doesn't seem likely that you would
take your Lawn Mower, Chain Saw or ATV to the gas station to fill it up. I
usually use a 3 gal gas can for that kind of stuff.
Far as the tests run by the industry group
known as the Coordinating Research Council (CRC) goes, here's some quotes
from Convenience Store News.
Controversy
surrounds the research methodologies, with several industry groups and fuel
experts saying concerns about E15’s safety are unfounded. The U.S. Department
of Energy and Growth Energy both called the 2012 study “fundamentally flawed,”
charging that the research was conducted in a way that netted unreliable and
incomplete data.
In
addition, an October report entitled Review and Evaluation of Studies
on the Use of E15 in Light-Duty Vehicles, conducted by the National
Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), found no evidence that engines using
gasoline with a 15-percent ethanol component will experience engine failure. In
fact, the report found that the available literature did not show any
“meaningful differences” between E15 and E10 in “any performance category.”
As
Dr. Andrew L. Randolph, the technical director at Earnhardt Childress Racing
who received his Ph.D. in chemical engineering from Northwestern University --
specializing in the combustion properties of alcohol/diesel and alcohol/oil
blends — noted: “The [2012] study purported to show that E15 fuel was
detrimental to engine durability relative to E0...[but] there are lots of
issues here.”
Questioning
the Research
Several variables call into question the results the
Coordinating Research Council and American Petroleum Institute are touting,
Dr. Randolph said. For example, all engines in the 2012 study compared E15 and
E20 to E0, even though virtually every engine on the road today runs E10.
“Billions
of miles have been run successfully with E10, yet that was not used as the
baseline for this study because it would not have provided the conclusion that
they wanted,” Dr. Randolph stressed. “This study was designed to cause the
engines to fail on all fuels.” (Note: engines failed on clear gas, too.)
There
were other problems as well, including the fact that the study defined
“failure” as 10 percent cylinder leakdown in any one of the engine
cylinders.
“Some
of the engines started with [more than] 8 percent leakdown when they were
brand-new,” he added. “As somebody with over 30 years of engine development
experience, I can say that you would not even notice if a cylinder in your car
exceeded 10 percent leakdown, despite it being ‘failed’ by this test
definition. And six of the eight vehicle models used in this test were rated
as poor or very poor for fuel system issues by Consumer Reports.
Indeed, two of the engines failed the test running on clear gas.”
Additionally,
the study employed a standard automotive high-load endurance test, but the
peak engine speed was limited to 3500 r/min. The reason? “High-speed testing
can conceal valve seat wear issues by increasing oil pullover through the
positive crankcase ventilation system and lubricating the valve seats,” the
study said.
In
other words, according to Dr. Randolph, the engines wouldn’t “fail” if they
followed the industry-standard test and thus, they had to invent a new test.
“These engines ran 500 hours at wide-open-throttle with the engine speed
limited to 3500 r/min. Can you imagine any real-world scenario that would
produce this type of operating history? I can’t either,” he stated.
Real
World Results
Scott Zaremba, president of Zarco USA Inc., is among the
experts stressing that real-world experience trumps potentially flawed
research. He entered the renewable fuels arena in 2008 when he installed
blending pumps at his company’s station in Lawrence, Kan. In 2012, his
location on East 23rd Street in Lawrence became the first U.S. fuel station to
offer E15.
“The
API went out and pushed the negatives and said everyone hates E15; the other
side says everyone loves it. Anybody can skew any study any way, which is why
you have to look beyond surveys on both sides and go to the real world,”
Zaremba said. “I am the real world, and nothing in the real
world has shown there are any issues with E15.”
Nothing
Dr. Randolph or Zaremba have experienced points to problems prompted by E15.
Dr. Randolph has even seen benefits the renewable fuel delivers. “We have now
accumulated over 4 million miles in NASCAR, racing E15 under the most
stringent engine operating conditions with zero fuel-related engine failures,”
he reported. “Prior to 2011, NASCAR used an unleaded E0 gasoline. The change
to E15 caused the internal engine components to run cleaner and reduced carbon
deposits.”
A
secondary benefit is that ethanol is a great octane booster. “It is much safer
and much more economical than commonly used aromatic hydrocarbons, many of
which are known carcinogens,” he added. “Aromatic concentration dropped from
over 40 percent to around 20 percent at equal octane level with the addition
of 15-percent ethanol.”
Zaremba
describes the negative press about E15 as “posturing to try to hold off market
share change.”
For him, the proof of E15’s safety
lies in the track record he has enjoyed since debuting renewable fuels. “I
have only had two claims from customers in the last seven years and both have
been false,” he noted. The most recent one came from a customer who complained
about the fuel she had purchased after her car dealer detected a red tint in
the fuel. “It had nothing to do with the fuel,” Zaremba said, noting that the
customer had pumped six gallons of off-road diesel fuel into her vehicle
before moving to another pump after realizing her mistake — something Zaremba
proved by providing her receipt.
Seems to
me that there's lots of information out there, supporting both sides. Some of
it is suspect, some of it obviously biased. The reality of it is, E15 will be
available at a gas station near you. It is recommended that you not put it in
cars manufactured before 2007 unless it is a Flex-Fuel car. Otherwise, use the
E10 everyone else is using. There's a potential that some unaware driver might
put the E15 into thier 2006 or before car but that driver would also be the
one who puts Diesel in their gas car. My suggestion is do the opposite of the
Politically Correct thing, trust in the intelligence of the common driver
& assume they can read well enough to pick the correct fuel for their
vehicle.
My
objection to Ethanol derived from Corn or other Food Products is the impact it
has on Food Supplies. Corn of the grade which would otherwise be used for
Animal Feed is being consumed for Fuel. That has a negative impact of Human
Food prices & Bourbon. There are other sources of Ethanol which are not
used for Animal Feed, They only need to be utilized instead of Corn.
No
disrespect intended. Everyone has a right to their opinion but opinions are
like a$$holes, everyone has a right to at least 1.
As far as
I'm concerned Conversation Ended.
Later
all.
Robert
Tittle
From:
"Jim"
<jimntempe@xxxxxxxxx>To: "Robert Tittle"
<robert.tittle@xxxxxxxxxxx>, L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: Tuesday, November 19,
2013 12:35:28 PMSubject:
Re: [FWDLK]
THIS GASOLINE RUIN's YOUR ENGINE
Did you watch the video? From your reply it sounds like you
didn't. The point of the video mainly is that if you use E-15 you will
VOID your car's warranty. Is E-15 intended for flex fuel vehicles?
Sure. But how many everyday car owners really understand the ins
and outs of what gas is and isn't ok for their car? How many people who
are used to using E10 will see E15 and think "oh, I love being GREEN and it's
a few cents less so I'll use that!!" in their NON-flex fuel car and void their
warranty? And if the automakers listed in the new story are stating it
will void the warranty you can be sure there is at least enough concern from
the effects of E15 that they do not want to be on the hook for the repair
bills. No where in the video did I see a claim about the fuel left in
the pumps hose - where did you get that from??? As to E10 being OK,
perhaps you are happy with it, all I know is that it ruins gas mileage and
provides ZERO benefit in cars built since catalytic converters were made
mandatory. ZERO benefit, no reduction in emissions compared to the same
cat equipped car running straight gas. But it does have less energy
content and WILL reduce your gas milage. It will also damage the fuel
system parts more than if there was no ethanol in the gas although at the 10%
level is not usually a problem that happens fast enough that you can pin it
directly on the E10.
Is
AAA part of your "conspiracy" allegation? From their
website...
A AAA survey last
fall found that only 12 million out of the 240 million light-duty vehicles on
the roads were approved by manufacturers to use E15. Thirteen manufacturers
stated that the use of E15 may void warranty coverage. AAA’s automotive
engineering experts believe that sustained use of E15 could result in costly
problems such as accelerated engine wear and failure, fuel-system damage and
false “check engine” lights in some cars. An overwhelming 95 percent of
consumers surveyed by AAA were not familiar with E15, indicating a strong
likelihood of consumer confusion leading to
misfueling.
Jim Delton
From:
Robert Tittle <robert.tittle@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November
19, 2013 11:08 AM
Subject:
Re: [FWDLK] THIS GASOLINE RUIN's YOUR ENGINE
Geez! Hasn't this been off & on this list at least 3 times?
1st of all, this fuel is for use in Flex-Fuel vehicles. If you don't
own a Flex-Fuel vehicle, don't put it in the car. Pretty
obvious!
The other claim that the fuel in the hose will contaminate the fuel in
the tank & poison your car.... Bushwa!
There's 14 to 16 gallons in the tank & there's 1/3 gallon in the
hose. Doesn't the same thing happen when the car before you pumped 85 octane
& you pumped 16 gallons of 92 octane? I'm sure that 1/3 gallon of 85
REALLY reduced the octane in the rest of the tank. (sarcasm).
Seems to me that one of the previous rounds of this conspiracy related
to E-10. I live in Colorado & have been burning E-10 for a long time.
The Sky was falling then too, but NO it didn't.
But hey, if there wasn't some conspiracy, what would some people have
to talk about? :)
Robert Tittle
From: "Ron Swartley" <Archangel1390@xxxxxxx>
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent:
Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:33:43 AM
Subject:
[FWDLK] THIS GASOLINE RUIN's YOUR ENGINE
Subject:
THIS GASOLINE RUIN's YOUR ENGINE
Check with your Dealer if this is true.
Another
Government Blunder - THIS GASOLINE WILL RUIN YOUR ENGINE
Watch video....Do not
use this new fuel!!
EXTREMELY
IMPORTANT! New gas coming to your
gas station; pay attention. A MUST WATCH -- YOU M...
DO NOT
USE E-15 GASOLINE - WATCH THIS NEWS REPORT
Please READ...........VERY IMPORTANT
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a real
eye opener... pay attention is right!
INFORMATIONAL VIDEO YOU MAY FIND IMPORTANT
New gas coming to your gas station, so pay
attention. Watch video about E15 gas if you have a car older than
2012
OR WATCH ON YOUTUBE (recommended)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU
DON'T KEEP THIS - SEND IT OUT TO YOUR
LIST. Let’s circulate this to as many as possible.
Be Happy ! ! !
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