Re: [FWDLK] Miss Belvie's battery..

[eastern sierra Adj Services <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxx>]

To Hold Harmless is a legal precept wherein I would agree not to
prosecute a claim against someone (the dealership), in a civil action.

I am not attempting to pursue any such claim, in fact, I am positing a
Theory of Liability against the dealership, for defrauding the poor,
unfortunate winning family from enjoying the fruits of having a real
MoPar group 24 battery be installed inside Ms. Belvie, and for their
incurring the heartbreak and emotional distress
upon discovering the imposter-battery inside the car.

You might say that the switcheroo was an assault upon their battery.


Neil Vedder


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• From: Jan & Roger van Hoy <vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
• Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:22:03 -0700

Well that's nice of you to hold the defunct 1957 dealer harmless, but you have no empirical evidence to suggest that the battery was indeed switched...

--Roger van Hoy, Washougal, WA, '55 DeSoto, '58 DeSoto, '56 Plymouth, '66 Plymouth, '41 Dodge

----- Original Message ----- From: "Eastern Sierra Adjustment Services" <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Jan & Roger van Hoy" <vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "forwardlook" <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Miss Belvie's battery..

The 4-miles included the trip to the site; no big risk to the dealer, once it got started.

Times were different in the 50's; I don't really blame the dealer for switching batteries on it.

Neil Vedder



Jan & Roger van Hoy wrote:

Yes... except that the car was driven a bit [4 miles] in 1957, probably started up to drive it to... it's doom... and what dealer would risk his reputation over a $15 battery?

--Roger van Hoy, Washougal, WA, '55 DeSoto, '58 DeSoto, '56 Plymouth, '66 Plymouth, '41 Dodge

----- Original Message ----- From: "Eastern Sierra Adjustment Services" <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxxxx>

To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Miss Belvie's battery..

So, the question then becomes: did the astute dealership, REALIZING that the car would not see the light-of-day for .5century, say : "HEY, why am I gong to lose-out on installing a perfectly-good MoPar battery in this non-Dodge (ahem), when I could just install some nasty generic battery, that can't-hardly hold a charge, in this poor thing?"

"Who'll care, 50 years from now?  Not me! "

Neil Vedder


Mark H wrote:

This is one detail I actually paid pretty close attention to in Tulsa. A coupla years ago I bought one of those Ultima batteries for Mr. Finzzz and one of those plastic repro battery cases that supposedly look like the actual batteries from the fifties, so you can fool the car show people into thinking you have a real fifties battery (right!). Anyway, one of the nights when our small group of vandals broke in and took pictures with Miss B and the security guards at the indoor car show, I was curious as to whether my repop battery case looked like a REAL original, so I peeked into the engine compartment to look at Miss B's battery. I moved it around a little - and saw no logos anywhere. I spun off one of the plastic filler lids (I found actual real Mopar lids for use on the repop plastic - adds to the authenticity!) and was surprised to see no names or logos on it either! It made me question whether the Mopar filler lids I have were true to the cars, or some sort of battery accessory - you wouldn't think they would've put many dealer add-on accesories to the car they were going to bury . . . .

 Mark   mjh
'57 Fury
Sutherlin, OR

*/Jan & Roger van Hoy <vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx>/* wrote:

    I sincerely doubt that Pic #3 is the identical replacement battery
    for a '57
    Dodge or Plymouth. Why?

    [1] The curved "m" emblem for MoPar wasn't used until later.

    [2] The book from which you took the photo says Pic #1 for 1956-58
    Chrysler
    Prod.

    [3] My 1955-58 Parts Book already has a superceded number for the
    1956-58
    Dodge/Plymouth/DeSoto 50 amp battery, 1818959 [wet] and 1818932
    [dry].
    That, coincidentally, is the number for the 1956-58 Chrysler 50
    amp battery.
    In other words, replacement # does not match original #.

    In addition to the parts book, I looked thru my '58 DeSoto and '56
    Plymouth
    FSM's; the battery pix are the same as the Parts book, none of
    which show
    the label.

    So, for those who strive for absolute authenticity...
    fughettabouttit !!!
    Or maybe buy one of the #1 batteries from Neil's vendor pic.

    --Roger van Hoy, Washougal, WA, '55 DeSoto, '58 DeSoto, '56
    Plymouth, '66
    Plymouth, '41 Dodge


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Eastern Sierra Adjustment Services"
    To:
    Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:18 AM
    Subject: [FWDLK] Miss Belvie's battery..

>I think that George McKovich PM'ed me, to say that the MoPar logo, on

    > Ms. Belvie's battery (as depicted on the attached Antique Auto
    battery
    > folder)
    > was seen to have been placed/oriented toward the fender, instead
    of its
    > facing
    > inboard, toward the engine compartment.
    >
    > BTW, Style-3 is OEM-correct for Group 24 1957+ cars.
    >
    > The placement of the battery terminals pretty much determines
    how the
    > battery
    > is to be installed, on the inner fender.
    >
    > Ron Water's pics, from last week, clearly(?) showed that there
    was no
    > visible
    > logo facing the engine compartment, AND(??) that the battery
    caps may have
    > been white-colored.
    >
    > I'm wondering what color to re-paint the yellow "Delco"
    fake-caps which
    > appear on the Tar-Topper-fake-battery-lid, after I remove the
    "Delco"
    > embossments FROM the fake-caps.
    >
    > Neil Vedder

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