Hey Guys,
Well there are certainly a lot of different ideas of what I should do with this car, but I think it is in the car's and my best interest if I stick to the EFI and try and work out these small bugs. I thoroughly enjoy driving it, and it has only not started on me ONCE (and it eventually did start, i just had to wait 30 mins), and that's with me driving it for over a month usually every day.
Now Wayne Michaels was saying that he had similar problems to mine, and he simply cleaned out his "control pump" and that seemed to help. Where exactly is this located, and what purpose does it serve that could help with increasing? fuel flow that would help it start quicker? If that could potentially help, i'll be cleaning it out tonight...any other ideas / thoughts on what could help this engine start better?
BTW i'll be purchasing some shop manuals from Sam McGee's auto literature o
n monday, so hopefully that will help me troubleshoot it.
Thanks in advance,
Joel Smith
Edmonton, Alberta
--- On Sat 06/05, < DavisADM@xxxxxxx > wrote:
From: [mailto: DavisADM@xxxxxxx]
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:53:23 EDT
Subject: Re: IML: 1983 Chrysler Imperial: starting problems
Paul, it is too bad that you have such a dislike for the 81-83 Imperials. It is each of our own rights to have an opinion. Sounds like you had a bad experience with these cars. I personally think they are the best looking and most appealing of the Imperials. Sure, your 68 is simple and reliable, but with proper care, maintenance, and not neccessarily a ton of money, the 81-83 can also be the same. People who are into older cars, usually are somewhat mechanically inclined,
since keeping up an older car most likely requires some regular tinkering.
Davis
81 Imperial, white, sunroof, red leather interior, original CB radio
82 Imperial, Glacier Blue, dark blue leather interior, EFI
82 Imperial FS, Light blue Kimberly cloth interior
83 Imperial, white, red leather interior, original owner, xlnt original condition, daily driver
In a message dated 06/05/2004 2:16:29 PM, RandalPark@xxxxxxx writes:
Well, you may be right, and of course we are each entitled to our opinions. If "the basics" would be a good place to start, it would be better to start with a basic car. That word does not describe these particular automobiles.
Trouble shooting that car is going to cost a ton of money, and a firm commitment of love on the part of the owner. If the love isn't there, I still say sell the car. The owner already knows if "love" is in the equation. The rest is easy.
Paul
In a message dated 6/5/2004 2:07:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nt014b6628@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
>
> Whoa,
>
> I think that maybe we are getting ahead of ourselves here, two of the
> recommendations include selling the car or ripping the EFI system off and
> putting a carb set-up on, i personally think this is a bi
t extreme when the
> basics have not been checked first.
>
> Joel says that the car came from William who i recall had some problems with
> his car, i do not know who did the repairs for William but lets not assume
> that
> what was done is 100%, and that the only answer is to get a sledgehammer to
> crush
> this poor starting nut.
>
> I think it would be fair for Joel's 83 (and his sanity) if we cover the
> basics first, there
> are many an IML member who enjoy their EFI powered cars, (myself and Dick
> Benjamin included) the rip it off and start again approach can have more
> pitfalls than there is keeping an EFI powered car running.
>
> Neil 82 Imperial London, England.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michael popp"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 3:59 AM
> Subject: Re: IML: 1983 Chrysler Imperial: starting problems
>
>
> > Joel---Don't panic---Your 83 is a beauty to behold ---Find a 80 Cry
> cordoba
> > without lean-burn --preferably a 4 barrel and put that set-up on your 83
> > Imperial ---it will run better than ever -start every time and make you
> > smile----I did that to my 86 Ply first and am in process of doing my 82
> > Imperial F S Ed---Feel free to contact me off-list at
> > mailto:popp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 7:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: IML: 1983 Chrysler Imperial: starting problems
> >
> >
> > > This was a frequent problem with early '80s, first generation
> computerized
> > cars. In most, the ignition and the fuel system are both computer
> > controlled. There are a guzillion reasons why these cars either stop
> running
> > or won't start. In many cases, the trouble is intermittent and difficult
> to
> > find. Many Auto Electric shops in the good old USA became very wealthy
> > during the time that these cars were on the road. The sad part is, most of
> > them never really ever figured out what was wrong with the cars.
> Eventually
> > their owners became annoyed and sold them.
> > > I hate to be so general here, but I know from experience that this was
> > universally true among the big three and most likely others too. My newest
> > Chrysler Product has always been my '68 Imperial. I have '80s offerings
> from
> > each of the other major manufacturers, and have had occasional problems
> with
> > both, although the G.M built cars have been much more reliable than the
> ones
> > from Ford. I still run both of them on a daily basis
.
> > > When those Imperials were new, many people had exactly that kind of
> > trouble with them. The cars will run perfectly, and for no apparent
> reason,
> > quit on the road or refuse to start. Over the years I have found that the
> > folks that were the most successful keeping those cars on the road were
> the
> > ones who "loved them no matter what".
> > > I have also found that reading the wiring diagrams and understanding
> where
> > relays and sensors (both vacuum and electronic) are, and understanding
> what
> > they do helps a lot. Relays with dirty contacts can cause an intermittent
> > problem for years before they actually quit working all together. This is
> > also true of sensors.
> > > In summary, I would say that there probably is not one thing that anyone
> > here can tell you that will solve your problem. If you love the car, you
> > will become very accustomed t
o knowing under what condition your car does
> > certain things. Eventually you will be able to make sense out of that
> > information, along with the things that you read and study to make a good
> > stab at finding the faulty part or parts. The other option would be to pay
> > someone else to do that, but I offer this: back during the time that those
> > cars were on the road there were few, if any mechanics that could trouble
> > shoot them. Most people just got taken to the cleaners, and still couldn't
> > depend on their cars to run when they were suppose to.
> > > If you don't want to go through this process, I would suggest selling
> the
> > car, or becoming a member of AAA Plus. If you can, buy extra towing.
> > > Paul
> > > In a message dated 6/4/2004 1:40:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > joelrsmith@xxxxxxxxxx writes:
> > > > Hi Guys,> > I have a 1983 Chrysler Imperial that I purch
ased about a
> > month ago. It's in pretty decent condition, but does have some rust in the
> > rear left & right quarter panel & the bottom of the deck lid. It has
> 130,000
> > Miles on it (but there is an asterix beside where it says that, don't know
> > what that means) and gets from 15 - 20 US MPG on a tank.> > Right from the
> > beginning, whenever I would start it, it would crank over a bit more than
> > what I would expect a "normal" car to do, although I did hear from a
> certain
> > mechanic that due to it's older computer, that could be normal. It always
> > drives & idles nice though. Anyways, here's what happened: I drove my car
> to
> > work friday morning (7:30 am), and it did it's usual "longer than normal"
> > start, all was good. It sat all day at work in about say 20 C (68 F)
> > temperature. I finished work around 5:00 pm and went to start my car. The
> > first try I hel
d the key in the "start" position for about 6 - 8 seconds,
> it
> > just cranked, didn't fire once. This was kind of surprising, as it had
> never
> > done this before. So I tried it again, nothing. After that, i tried
> pumping
> > the gas pedal (I usually NEVER touch the gas pedal at all before or during
> > starting) while I was cranking it, it actually fired one or two times but
> > didn't start. Next, I pulled off the air cleaner cover, & I could smell
> > as( but it didn't appear flooded), so I left the cover off for a minute or
> > two, then put it back on and tried again. Nothing. > > So after that I
> went
> > back inside to where I work & called AMA to send over a tow truck. Next
> > about 30 mins had passed since I had last tried starting the car) I went
> > outside again to see if I could start the car.
I put the key in and
> cranked
> > it...it didn't fire for a sec or two, but then caught a few times &
> started.
> > For the first few seconds it ran rough, like it had too much / too little
> > fuel, but after that it smoothed out and idled like it has always had
> before
> > (it idles nice btw). So now i'm a little scared about something like this
> > happening again (i've been driving it for about 4 days since then and it's
> > always started). Now would any of you guys have any idea what the problem
> > could be and what I can do to fix it? I'm also interested in why it seems
> to
> > need a few excessive cranks to start. > > Oh, and you can check out
> pictures
> > of my car here: > http://www3.telus.net/agentsmith> > Thanks in advance.>
> >
> > Joel Smith> Edmonton, Alberta.> > > > > Join Excite! -
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