I couldn't agree more, Wayne. You've seen the Newporker and I think if you are honest, you will agree that she ain't much to look at. James says it has a "Dazzle Coat" paint job. That's the type of paint that a battle ship might have (ironic, I know) where each panel is a slightly different shade and tint of green. I'll never argue that this is the case. HOWEVER! That big green beast is ready to roll anywhere you care to drive it! I've been across the continent and back more than twice in the last three years and I'd think nothing of climbing behind the wheel and heading off anywhere the spirit leads. I just couldn't bring myself to "waste" my money and time to paint a car that wasn't in 100% top notch mechanical condition. I know not everyone shares my opinion on this and that's ok, as Wayne said, all we have to do is wait until the end of the car show and watch you try to get your car started or watch the blue streak you leave behind as you head out onto the road, to identify who you are...not that you are wrong, you just have different priorities than I. Last summer I had the distinct pleasure of visiting Mike and Chris Trettin and the Six Trettineers in Iowa. When we met up, I insisted Mike drive my Newporker (1978 Newport/New Yorker conversion) just as he had allowed me to drive his beautiful 56 Ch....err...Imperial a couple years before. I had to keep saying, "Everything works." in reply to Mike's seeimingly endless questions about the operability of the various features and power conveniences on the car. There is nothing on that car that doesn't work. Yes, the paint sucks but the car performs beautifully. Now, this is still a 25 year old car. The poor thing is allowed a breakdown now and then. I will say it has never left me stranded. On the way home, the thermo-clutch fan quit and the engine began heating up quite a bit. No big deal though. I too am in a rich man's hobby with a poor man's budget. I only get by because I put my back into it and do everything I can to avoid having to visit the mechanic. There is alot to be said for not having to drive the car you're working on though. I have five cars and three are drivable any time I need them. That makes it nice when one needs a little "special" attention. Anyway, I'm rambling. I'll let y'all chime in. Keep yer stick on the ice! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Oneof514@xxxxxxx> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Re: IML: Not such a great day I think we can all sympathize with unexpected mechanical problems. However, one thing to consider, many "fully" restored cars are not that great mechanically. Alot of hobbiest spend alot of money on the items that show, but have not spend alot of money on the mechanical items that do not show - such as suspension and engine work. Alot of show cars that I have seen "smoke" quite a bit. They can drive on and off the show field but are really not suitable for highway driving. Even a $20,000 "fully" restored car can have a breakdown. I think any car with a solid body is worth saving. Eventually you get through all of the mechanical issues. Just hang in there. But on occasion, you do just have to park it until nerves and finances recover. Wayne Jorgensen 66, 71