Hi, Yes, I did mean the exhaust manifolds, not headers. (Ooops.) And, the y-pipe ain't "just dropping off". I can do chin-ups on it. I tried applying some Liquid Wrench, and I will start 'tapping' with my hammer tonight. I suddenly have the awful feeling that the car is not high enough off the floor, and I am gonna be in trouble. (The car is high enough for me to slide around on my back, and I am able to get shoulder- wise under it in a pinch.) IF anyone has been able to get the y-pipe off of a car on blocks, let me know before I drop the pipe and am stuck trying to put it back on w/o changing the oil pump and stuff. THANX!! Dan Wing Marcy, NY USA imp1983@xxxxxxxx ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!