LOL That's why I'll get the lightweight aluminum starter if/when mine decides to go out. The ones avaliable now needs a 2second grinding to fit properly but Mopar Performance is coming out with a new one that's 'pre-ground' to bolt right on yee old bigblocks. Carl http://www.robdiesel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Hoffman" <imperial67@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> hands while I twisted and turned the starter with my first two hands. It was like juggling with an anvil.