Rog, I'm not sure I follow you. Rog & Jan van Hoy wrote: > For example, the difference between a Dodge Neon and a > Plymouth Neon are a couple pieces of plastic nameplates, but > no one seems to go around insisting that the Plymouth is > really a Dodge or vice versa. There are people on this list who have said the 1967-68 Imperials (& up) are really just Chryslers, not Imperials, because they share so many parts. Isn't that the same logic you seem to be against here? > I must ask again, does it really matter whether the > '81-'83's are a brand or a model? Is this not the incipient > snobbery of owners of one year trying to put down the owners > of another year? Yes, in my opinion, it does matter. But I'm not going to get too upset about it. It matters on the same level as "Was Amber Sherwood Metallic offered as a color in 1971?" Or "What was the last year for the 413?" It's just a matter of general interest, or historical accuracy, if you prefer. It's part of what makes the hobby interesting. I'm not trying to put anybody down. As a matter of fact, I'm trying to keep people from putting people down. (I can't speak for anyone else on this list.) I'm aware that some people may attach a greater value to their cars for various reasons, and try to denigrate cars of another era. That's not what's happening here. It's no insult, in my book, to say that an '81 is a Chrysler-- anymore than it's an insult to say a Newport is a Chrysler. It may be inaccurate-- or it may be accurate. That's a different discussion. But there's no snobbery involved. Mark M