1954 Crown Imperial Limo & Thoughts on a Restoration
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1954 Crown Imperial Limo & Thoughts on a Restoration



Hi,
The hubcaps are Crown Imperial only because they have spacers to push them out from the wheel as to cool the disc brakes and they are not the same for as many years that has been stated.  Try to find the right ones.  I know someone that has been looking for years and is in the main stream of the parts business.  You can change the car over to standard Imperial or New Yorker brakes but the rear end in the car is wider to allow for the width of the interior and special spacers have to be machined.  Believe me, I know many people that have done this on the Town and Countries which use the same set up.  The only way to do this car is to do it right.  Otherwise you will have a bastard that will not be worth anything to the purest who will be the one that will buy the car someday when it is done and the restorer is ready to sell.  If you make this car up out of non original parts as in a street rod style it will only bring minimal money when sold and will still cost the same to restore.  Doing the interior cheaply will be ok for the cruse night bunch but take a car like that to an Imperial gathering and although they won't tell you to your face you know the reaction it will get.  The only things that the car is missing are the impossible items that are limo only.  Is anyone also thinking about the hydraulic windows.  Most parts interchange with Cadillac but each motor in the doors is about $250 exchange.  Is the limo only glass good?  I can't tell in the pictures on ebay because the windows are down in the doors.  And then you have the unit under the hood that pumps the fluid to the windows.  This is why the windows are down and the interior is in shambles.  How much damage has the leaking hydraulic fluid done to the inside of the doors.  This is very damaging to paint so the paint has been eaten away from the bottom of the doors offering bare metal to the elements.  Remember that these are limo only doors.  You don't just graft on door bottoms from a standard Imperial.  Then there is the hoses for the windows that carries the hydraulic fluid.  And what about all of that limo only rubber?  It will take an expert a long time to figure out what to use to make this.  I don't think that it is able to be used as is.  I think that nobody is thinking of these things when they are estimating how much to restore this car.  What about the air conditioning.  Is that complete.  What about the limo only chrome on the inside.  The dash chrome is the same as standard Imperial but what about all the rest.  Do you pay the money to have all the pits filled in the pot metal and re-chromed.  Do you know how much this will cost!!!  What about 54 limo only taillights?  Where do you get those!!!  What about the limo only spare tire area under the bumper.  How bad is that rusted out and who is going to re-make this?  I know all of this can be done and this car is the "Dusenberg" of the future according to most who have been writing about this subject but anyone but the most accomplished restorer with all of the machinery in the world to make everything that is missing will never finish the car.  How many people out there that own one of these cars are willing to take them apart and loan the parts missing from this car to a machine shop so they can re-create the missing pieces.  I could go on and already have but I have seen this too many times that people have taken the attitude that things are really easier then they really are.  Like I said before, I applaud anyone that is willing to take on a project of this magnitude and finish it but most times the "finish it" part never happens.
Ken 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Foster
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:52 PM
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: IML: 1954 Crown Imperial Limo & Thoughts on a Restoration
 
Hello Folks;
 Nobody said that this car wouldn't be a lot of work but it depends on what level of restoration you would want to go with. If you strive to make this into a show quality car, and absolutely factory correct in the interior and everything else, then $40,000 would be the minimum even for a D.I.Y job. I agree that his price is still too high but I don't agree that it is only good for parts car. Looking at the photos, after reading the description, it doesn't look like there is that much missing. The main thing that is missing from the engine is the carburettor and air cleaner. Missing from the exterior, the hubcaps, rear view mirrors, and the red crown from the trunk lid. 
 The hubcaps and the crowns were used in multiples for four years straight. The mirrors maybe more of a problem because they were unique to the year but not likely unique to the model. Some of the parts that are there look like they may be pitted which means some effort at repairing them. The biggest obstacle is time, having the patience to find the parts. If you don't have this then you really have no business messing with Imperials let alone this limousine.
  Getting into the power plant the engine and transmission are all 1954 and 55' Chrysler, remember that it doesn't have A.C. In that period Chrysler was also producing eight passenger sedans, in each division, that shared the same body as the limo, they may share the same rear end and drive shaft. I think that the biggest problem will be with the Lambert disk brakes and figuring out how to either work with them or replace them with drums if they can't be repaired. What I would do, if I was interested in the car, is locate a Hollanders manual and start doing some research on parts interchangebility before I think of parting with my money.
Best Regards
Arran Foster
1954 Imperial Newport
Needing A left Side taillight bezel and other trim parts.


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