1960 Window Lift-Motor/Otis & rebuilding.

["Muir Me" <sirspaniard@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

series II jags were made about 73 till about 80 or something - the delco's 
in them are English - but you gotta put up with some things like that haha - 
the ones before were lucas -
although the delco motors still have the captive bearing setup in the bottom 
of the motor the cases are the same and also they have a bit better 
electrics in them (different plate styles etc)- I think most of the jags 
went to the US anyway, so I'd imagine they'd be enough of them around - 
series II's are easy to spot - they are that really familiar XJ shape, but 
the front bumper comes up half way up the grille - like all later jags, and 
they have the push button rigid door handles on them - they're easy to hack 
up (the motors - not the cars), and they're cheap/free and just the usual 
couple of wires hanging out of them...
:o)

>From: kenyon wills <imperialist60@xxxxxxxxx>
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>Subject: Re: IML: 1960 Window Lift-Motor/Otis & rebuilding.
>Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:35:19 -0800 (PST)
>
>What years were series II jags made? I want ot go fishing
>in the Junk yard across the street. I only pay enough
>attention to them to avoid hitting them in the parking lot.
>
>
>
>--- Muir Me <sirspaniard@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Series II Jag XJ's have a very similar motor size -
> > biggest difference being
> > that they have the 90o gear drive which one hacks off
> > (very roughly of
> > course) and they fit just fine - Over here in NZ there
> > 1.3 billion jags so
> > these motors aren't a problem - they're delco ones, but
> > don't know many
> > other applications - I'm looking into silly little
> > Japanese things at the
> > moment - but the Jag ones apart from the cutting off the
> > top, are pretty
> > much bolt in...
> >
> >
> > >From: kenyon wills <imperialist60@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: IML: 1960 Window Lift-Motor/Otis & rebuilding.
> > >Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:13:11 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The lift motors are available too,I can get 'em from
> > the
> > > > place where I work
> > > > for about $40(employee purchase)plus core. Cardone
> > > > rebuilds 'em. I am not
> > > > sure if the early-mid '60's motors resemble the '70's
> > > > motors. I don't know
> > > > the years of interchangeability. Does anyone?
> > > >
> > >
> > >The 1970's units appear in pictures to have the gears
> > and a
> > >small 90 degree transmission assembly integral to them.
> > >
> > >The early 1960's units come in 2 sizes for the motor
> > body,
> > >but are interchangeable due to identical diameter
> > bodies.
> > >They are motors that look like they belong in the head
> > of a
> > >milkshake machine at the soda fountain, and are a
> > smaller
> > >version of the unit that drives the 6-way seat in these
> > >cars.
> > >
> > >The larger (slightly longer body with rubberized
> > covering)
> > >motor has removable bolts and is supposedly rebuildable,
> > >but I did not locate anyone interested in performing
> > this
> > >despite asking about 5 electric motor places.  The
> > smaller
> > >one is not clad in black rubber and has rivet-like bolts
> > >that would need to be ground off to be dismantled.  I
> > wager
> > >that the rubber covered versions (came on post 1960
> > cars, I
> > >think) were an attempt to fix/amend without redesigning.
> > >
> > >Both units clamp into a stamped, molded metal bracket
> > >recepticle, and have a pencil-sized chrome driveshaft
> > that
> > >has a flat on one side.  There is a thick rubber
> > >"driveshaft" about an inch long that fits between the
> > motor
> > >and the input shaft of the window mechanism that the
> > motor
> > >is to drive.  The rubber of the driveshaft allows the
> > thing
> > >to come to a sold stop while absorbing the torsion of
> > the
> > >motor in a non-rigid way, sparing the metal gearing in
> > the
> > >window mechanism when the window hits the full-up or
> > full
> > >down stop positions.
> > >
> > >They are in a position in the door such that water
> > dripping
> > >down the window in rain or car washes comes to reside in
> > >and on the motor, rusting the bearings solid in short
> > time,
> > >especially when sitting outside, even with the windows
> > >closed.
> > >
> > >These are one of the 1960's achilles heels, and most
> > parts
> > >sources are consistently picked clean of these -
> > indicating
> > >that they are a weak point on others' cars too.  Lowell
> > is
> > >getting $75 or more for each of them, and bless his
> > heart,
> > >the man has a real knack for knowing what's valuable and
> > >what isn't, then making certain that you know too.
> > >
> > >If your shop is interested in looking at rebuilding
> > some, I
> > >wager that you could get $35 each easy and $50 medium,
> > >maybe more.  The parts that go bad are the
> > bushing-bearings
> > >and the shaft that they ride on.  The rest seems to
> > cleanup
> > >OK, but that is not my bag and a motor person might see
> > >otherwise.
> > >
> > >I volunteer some of my toasted motors and financing to
> > you
> > >if you think that you have a path to fix them.  Might
> > turn
> > >out to be a good source of beer money for your place of
> > >employ.
> > >
> > >Boo-hoo - I just don't think that these are available
> > >rebuilt, and I have to use crummy old sed ones that
> > differ
> > >in speed and efficiency.
> > >
> > >Please let me know if you can help or know otherwise.
> > (I
> > >was also thinking about appropriating a motor from
> > another
> > >application, but am not at that point in the car project
> > yet).
> > >
> > >=====
> > >Kenyon Wills
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