hugh hemphill/hugtrees@xxxxxxxx wrote: > Why is it called a hardtop anyway? D^2 is correct in stating that the term was originally coined by GM as "hardtop convertible." This is twofold. One was the marketing effort to convey the airy lightness of riding in the car with all the windows down. With no full B-pillar in the way, the breezy feeling was much like that of a convertible (remember, folks, this was before cars commonly had air conditioning and people actually opened their windows while driving... all the windows, and all the way down!). So it combined the security of a hard steel top with something like the effect of a convertible. The other aspect was that of engineering: In order to achieve the structural integrity necessary for the car to stay tight (well, as tight as cars were back in '49 when the GM models came out), they used the stronger frame of the convertible model (rather than the two-door sedan), the result being, quite simply, a convertible with a permanent hardtop. Legend has it that when Ford's designers went to see what all the fuss was about with this new body style, they were disappointed that the car was not in fact a convertible at all. A few years earlier (actually the late 30s, but with WW2, that was really only a few production years back, since time had stood still in the auto industry for six years or so), Peugeot had produced a car with a mechanically retractable steel roof. This, it seems, is what the Ford folks expected to see in the new Holiday (Oldsmobiles), Coupe de Villes (Cad) and Rivieras (Buick). While both Ford and Chrysler rushed their 2-door hardtops to market within a few years, it took Ford another seven years to bring a true "hardtop convertible" to market with the '57 Skyliner. By then, the term had been simplified to more manageable and accurate "hardtop" and it had grown to include four-doors and even wagons across the industry. By 1955 Chrysler started naming their hardtop body styles, too (Newports for Chrysler and 1955 Imperials, Southamptons for Imperials starting in 1956). As far as I can tell, no other body styles got names that weren't directly attached to trim levels except for Ford: from basic "Tudor" and "Fordor" sedans (get it?) to the truly unusual Crown Victorias and Sun Valleys (with the glass roofs) and eventually Breezeway Mercurys and Lincolns. The circle began to close by the time the 1970s rolled around, when Ford inserted a full B-pillar back into their sedans but retained the frameless side glass and called it a "pillared hardtop" despite the apparent oxymoron therein. By 1973, Ford's 4-door hardtops were gone, and their last 2-door was in 1978. GM lost their true hardtops after 1976 (downsized Eldorados, Rivs and Toronados kept the stub B-pillar but used a fixed quarter window, denying the effect, up through 1981 or 1982). And of course, bringing it back to this forum, the last of the four-door hardtops from anyone were the 1978 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham and Newport. By then, they were not called anything but hardtops. Then again, a Newport Newport? Or would my '78 have been a Chrysler New Yorker Brougham Salon Southampton? No car's big enough for all that badging! Chris in LA 67 Crown 4dHT 78 NYB Salon 4dHT