Actually, "The Standard Catalog of American Cars" lists two coupes - a business coupe (with front seat only) and a club coupe (with both front and rear seats). The club coupe is described as having a front and rear seat, but with a "shorter-than-sedan body structure". The authors end the club coupe description with, "Most coupes of today are a variation upon this type of styling theme." (The book has line illustrations for each body style. The coupe illustrations were based on the postwar 1947-52 Studebaker coupes, but have them reversed - they use the business coupe for the club coupe and the "Starlight" coupe for the business coupe.) The fueslage 2-door hardtop rooflines of Imperial, Chrysler, Polara/Monaco and non-formal Plymouth Fury were designed with the old club coupes in mind. The club coupe had a rear seat just like the 2-door sedan, but the passenger compartment was "close-coupled" - ie, the distance from the dash to the rear parcel shelf was shorter on the cluib coupe than the sedan. If you compare Mopar's fuselage "coupes" with the 4-door hardtops, you can clearly see the close-coupled look. On an earlier message, I do have a copy of "Cars of the Sensational '70s" and read the page on the 1973 Imperial. The exact quote for the 'bumper weight' (photo #5) is, "Thanks in part to its bigger bumpers, a '73 LeBaron hardtop sedan tipped the scales at over 5000 pounds." There is no mention of the weight of a 2-door hardtop on the page, nor a photo, although they do mention the 4-door outsold the 2-door. What the authors were referring to were the beefier bumpers on the 1973 Imperials, which included big rubber blocks, and not comparing the weight of the 4-door with the 2-door. Bill Vancouver, BC > Peter Engel/vze2dp8c@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > > The writer is really off-base because there's no such thing as a > > fuselage Imperial coupe, technically. Sure, a lot of people call any > > two door model a coupe, but that's not right. > > > > The body style section in an older edition of "Standard Catalog of > > American Cars" indicates that a coupe has no rear seat area side windows > > at all (like a business coupe) or has rear side windows but they don't > > roll down. I think that Chevy Novas and Ford Mavericks were that way. > > Also the Duster and Demon, but the rear side windows flip outward on > > those cars. > > I imagine this will disappoint all the Crown Coupe owners out there. Guess > they never shoulda let go of "Southampton." > > Actually, the definitions of bodystyles have evolved over the years. Today, > a coupe can be anything with two doors, even though technically most 2-doors > today (with the exception of certain Mercedes models that are the only > pillarless hardtops still in production) are really just two-door sedans... > or hatchbacks. And when was the last time a carmaker offered a business > coupe, also known as a doctor's coupe? > > Of course, look at all the terms carmakers are inventing to try and hide the > fact that their new "crossover vehicles" are really just station wagons. > > I would still tend to label the fuselage offerings as two- and four-door > hardtops (plus the four-door sedan in 1969). > > Chris in LA, lover of wagons and hardtops! > > >